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What's the purpose of live if you won't allow yourself to enjoy it a bit? So yeah, I'll do it, have fun and socialise with my friends. Of course within bounds, we're adults after all.

I bet/hope there are less harmful alternatives out there but unfortunately there's not a lot research afaik on different chemicals.


Other substances are gaining popularity specifically because people are learning enough about them to have a conversation beyond grade school scare campaigns.

People are objectively noticing that they can get a social lubricant without a hangover, without liver damage, without esophageal damage, without lung damage (not an alcohol thing, just a reference to smokers of anything), and that alcohol is more toxic than more tightly regulated drugs.

I believe the person you were responding to was pointing that out, while I believe you wrote a false dilemma as nobody here is talking about abstaining from mind altering substances, they find it absurd to try to force making alcohol the substance of choice, given that harm reduction already exists for recreational use of other substances.


Could you share what some of these substances are?


THC (weed)

Psilocybin (mushrooms)

examples of substances that fit the criteria above and where many people would like more research to exist on longer term recreational use.


I've actually enjoyed and done much more sober than I ever did during my entire drinking years.

But to stay on point, the original article is "Alcolhol without the hangover" - keyword "hangover". A hangover is a symptom you have overdone it, not just a few drinks with friends while socializing. It's more like, "I can't remember what we did after 6 beers and then shots", sort of mentality, and not eating or drinking enough water. That is when you have poisoned yourself.

40% of convicted murderers used alcohol before or during the crime.

70% of all drunk-driving fatalities were with drivers with a blood-alcohol level of 0.15%+.


Actually it’s been observed that some animals willingly seek fruits that have fallen and have started fermenting to get some buzz.

Such animals don’t have an alcohol industry and a logistics network though.


And a few fermented fruits and a "buzz" are not a hangover. A hangover means you have overdone it.


It's not necessary for this drug to have the same negative effect, just because it has similar positive effect as alcohol.


I don't know about you but I feel that I'm drunk long before the hangover kicks in :)


This is on par with the trend of biohacking ... from ozempic, ADHD meds, transgender hormone therapies, to cheating hangovers ... You can't cheat nature, for long at least.


As someone who had their appendix removed yesterday, I’m grateful that cheating nature can actually be done safely and effectively.


Well, the appendix has gone from we don't know it's function, or it is a useless appendage, to it might have a role in our immune system [1].

[1] https://www.news-medical.net/health/Why-do-Humans-have-an-Ap...




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