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Are you really arguing the average car frequently makes 500mi+ road trips?

Either way, your NYC <-> Raliegh trip would be like 26 minutes of charging on an 8 hour road trip. Do you really not stop for somewhat that kind of time for an 8 hour road trip? You don't stop to eat for a minute, you race through the gas station as fast as possible, etc? I know for me I'd probably want to stop a couple of times sitting for eight hours.

You're really arguing the average driver frequently makes nearly non-stop eight hour road trips?

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=34769a63-3845-47a...

I'm definitely not talking about which car is the most luxurious or comfortable. There's a lot of subjectivity to styling. I'm not really a fan of the Tesla style, but it's not like all EVs are Tesla's and they definitely don't all cost $90k.




I made no claims whatsoever as to what "the average car" does?

I said that "most of your driving doesn't happen on road trips" is not a super convincing response to "I don't want to buy an EV because it'll make road trips a pain in the ass." Because, as I said, people buy cars for the totality of their driving.

The NYC <> Raleigh trip would add 26 minutes in a Hyundai Ioniq 6, which I'll note does in fact surprise me in a positive direction (and also thank you for sharing the cool website!)

In a Model S it'd add an hour, which yes I do find to be an unacceptable cost, and a wildly unacceptable one for the price and comfort difference.

The car question obviously contains many many dimensions. Adding 26 minutes of time is pretty acceptable IMO, but doing so for another $6k of car purchase price and downgrading from a super comfortable SUV to a tiny, tiny sedan... it becomes less acceptable again.

A Volvo XC40, which is pretty close comfort level to the Acura RDX, for example, would add 1.5 hours while keeping price roughly constant.

P.S. to level-set, I actively tried to buy an EV or hybrid. I loved having a plug-in hybrid when all my driving was around town and parked at home in the evening. I agree far, far more people can and should be driving EVs than currently do, but I'm pointing out that the multidimensional problem of car selection is not as simple as "there are lots of chargers now" or "just rent something else for road trips."


A recent Model S would do the trip in a half hour of charging. Maybe whatever generation you had and the chargers at the time weren't the same, but in the EV space you can't assume things stay the same even quarter to quarter much less year to year.

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=abfe9af0-a19f-466...

And I do agree, not everyone's needs are fully solved by EVs now and may not in the future. But so many people hear about range being an issue that they assume it is for them, when in reality an absolutely massive chunk of not the majority of passenger cars on the roads can easily be swapped for an with zero negative to the owner's life. But people often actually think they've got to have a car that can go 1,000mi in a single charge otherwise it's just a massive inconvenience even though they may drivea 500mi trip once a year if even that.




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