It doesn’t sound like the cops as described in the scenario did anything illegal. They just asked a bunch of questions. It sounds like voakbasta was free to leave at any time.
voakbasta just didn’t like the fact that people reacted to him doing weird but legal stuff outside of social norms.
A major argument that second amendment originalists make for the need for personal firearms is to provide personal protection, but a police station is an area that is already protected by law officers who are armed, so there’s no reason to open carry there. It’s like bringing an air conditioner to a hockey rink.
I personally feel much less safe around police and I know many who feel the same or experienced unjust harassment and violence from them, especially nypd and including inside their stations. I know people who were tortured by county jail guards, ostensibly there for protection, while holding them awaiting trial (including later being proven innocent). I don’t agree that when encountering police that everyone should surrender or otherwise dispose of their firearms. I think that would make police even more aggressive at scale. Police are adversarial, not protective for common folk. I would advocate for the opposite - police should not be allowed to carry, and I think they are weirdos for doing so
That "it sounds like" assumption is holding a whole lot of weight there, buddy.
You don't know that they were free to leave, and the fact that you think it's "weird" for someone to open carry suggests implicit bias demonstrated by your further comments.
It's nothing about "originalists" either -- whether for the exercise of constitutional rights, their own desire, or protection, if GP chose to open carry, and it's legal to do so, they shouldn't be randomly interrogated about it -- especially when making a routine enquiry.
You're also forgetting that plenty officers have both assaulted and used their arms against peaceful citizens, including in police custody and police stations, so "there's no reason to open carry there" doesn't apply -- you don't know if GP was simply walking home and went in to get this report copy on the way -- more ridiculous analogies don't make an actual argument, you know.
Going back to your initial "sound like," if police are using tactics they've learned to coax information out from suspect and display authority and force, it could absolutely be illegal, ranging from harassment to intimidation -- short of wearing a t-shirt saying "kill all cops" or waving their firearm around, there's no reasonable circumstance why they should be challenged like that, purely for open carrying -- as I said to you before, if they CCW'd there wouldn't even be an argument, so passing judgement on GP because of your own clear anti-gun bias is transparent as heck.
> You're also forgetting that plenty officers have both assaulted and used their arms against peaceful citizens, including in police custody and police stations,
So realistically, how do you think it’s going to work out if you used a gun in a police station against a police officer for self defense? How do you think it’s going to work anywhere if you used your gun against a police officer?
That’s just like all of the yokels who have guns to protect themselves against the federal government when even a small town SWAT team could take them out let alone the FBI.
Yes, I am biased against people who open carry and I think they are weirdos. I also think the second amendment should be repealed.
I can believe that widespread ownership and carrying of guns is dangerous and weird while at the same time acknowledging that police commonly abuse power and need more oversight. The two concepts aren’t mutually exclusive.
Also, I’m just going off of the story. I’m sure if the person in the story was detained or arrested they would have mentioned it.
voakbasta just didn’t like the fact that people reacted to him doing weird but legal stuff outside of social norms.
A major argument that second amendment originalists make for the need for personal firearms is to provide personal protection, but a police station is an area that is already protected by law officers who are armed, so there’s no reason to open carry there. It’s like bringing an air conditioner to a hockey rink.