But lack of firsthand evidence of ETA's does not constitute
evidence of the existence of ETA's
I said this. So... yeah, agreed.
The rest of this: I don't care, except that you
have to work yourself into contortions to simultaneously
argue that all firsthand reporting of ETA's has been
stymied by legal threats from DoD
It would definitely be illegal for anybody with firsthand knowledge via their security clearance to go public with classified stuff. That is 100% clear; probably the only 100% solid fact in this whole circus. They could, presumably, take it to the whistleblower channel in a non-public way, but I don't know the details there.
What Grusch has done is more of a legal limbo area. We can't say how legal or illegal it is without knowing exactly what the classified info is.
What's also clear is that there is a heavy price to pay in terms of career even when going through the whistleblower channel. There are all sorts of incentives to not do it. Just because others in his position does not necessarily mean he is lying.
Personally I don't believe it's aliens. I find it incredibly unlikely that alien races would send crewed ships here and then be clumsy enough to crash them or get shot down. I think it is far more likely to be some kind of camouflage for another more mundane program.
>Personally I don't believe it's aliens. I find it incredibly unlikely that alien races would send crewed ships here and then be clumsy enough to crash them or get shot down.
It's unlikely, but it's possible. Maybe the aliens are rather primitive technologically, and have weapons technology similar to cannons from sailing ships in the 1700s (and spacecraft technology otherwise resembling our early 1970s craft), but they somehow discovered a simple but somehow-overlooked portion of physics that allowed them to build spacecraft that could instantly teleport across the galaxy.
a simple but somehow-overlooked portion of physics
that allowed them to build spacecraft that could instantly
teleport across the galaxy
Well, I certainly can't say you're wrong, lol.
But science is so iterative. I realize that not all hypothetical species would follow the same tech tree as humans, but "skipping steps" seems so unlikely.
But hey, there are a lot of planets out there. I suppose it can't be ruled out.
Every time aliens come up on HN, someone brings up this idea, and then references that one sci fi story, and then the discourse “well that’s dumb as hell but the story was fun”.
My dude if there is some aspect of physics that would allow for teleportation by low tech people, the earth would be annihilated by some dudes whim or accident with a month
>My dude if there is some aspect of physics that would allow for teleportation by low tech people, the earth would be annihilated by some dudes whim or accident with a month
Maybe low tech aliens stumble upon the remnants of some (other) alien race and figure out how to salvage their warp drives, but can't get the rest working.
The universe is big. Maybe the warlike Pacleds just haven't found us yet. If they're low-tech (aside from FTL), they probably haven't figured out how to do long-range astronomy to look for habitable worlds either.
Obviously the whole idea is a big stretch, but damn this site sure seems to have a LOT of people who are completely and utterly lacking a sense of humor.
There’s no such thing as low tech aside from FTL. If you have FTL you have weapons of mass destruction orders more powerful than anything we have. And energy sources greater than anything we have.
It’s not humorous when people bring the same idea up every time and defend it sincerely.
First, the whistleblower protection is new. It hasn't been around very long. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ufo-whistleblowers-wou...
It would definitely be illegal for anybody with firsthand knowledge via their security clearance to go public with classified stuff. That is 100% clear; probably the only 100% solid fact in this whole circus. They could, presumably, take it to the whistleblower channel in a non-public way, but I don't know the details there.
What Grusch has done is more of a legal limbo area. We can't say how legal or illegal it is without knowing exactly what the classified info is.
What's also clear is that there is a heavy price to pay in terms of career even when going through the whistleblower channel. There are all sorts of incentives to not do it. Just because others in his position does not necessarily mean he is lying.
Personally I don't believe it's aliens. I find it incredibly unlikely that alien races would send crewed ships here and then be clumsy enough to crash them or get shot down. I think it is far more likely to be some kind of camouflage for another more mundane program.