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"so you can't blame Rubio for indulging it."

He's got access to a lot more than us. This isn't just some congressman indulging it for the lulz. It's so funny to see the mental gymnastics people here make to discredit some of our most elite intelligence officials. Even Rubio is having trouble believing it but he's now admitting to have talked to people with direct access to the program. Grusch is as credible as it gets. He said he spent four years investigating this before he came to the conclusions that these secretive exotic craft programs exist.




Hold on. We know the program exists (until very recently, it was a barely funded side hustle for a small group of enthusiasts inside the DoD). We know the DoD is investigating "unexplained aerial phenomenon" (a name they had to come up with because as soon as you use the term "UFO", everybody loses their shit and stops doing engineering and science, including scientists).

The claims being made here go far beyond the existence of these programs: they claim the US is in possession of technological artifacts of non-human origin (TAONHOs, must credit me for this coinage). That is a huge leap from "the DoD has records of an uptick of weird things that happened on cameras that just happens to correspond with a massive increase in the amount of video telemetry we collect".

People like Kean are counting on their audience to read the acknowledgement of these DoD groups as shocking admissions, which is then leveraged to add credibility to the claims of people like Grusch.


The mental gymnastics is believing little green men, capable of sidesteping special relativity, travel X lightyears just to fly around San Diego and occasionally crash somewhere in the desert.


Do we really have to assume FTL? Why couldn't the aliens be from, say, Europa?


This is a very narrow perspective. We've only been around for ~200,000 years, only began to take flight 120 years ago, and flew to the moon around 60 years ago.

There are billions of habitable planets in our galaxy alone, a good percentage likely harbor intelligent life, and that life could have easily established civilizations that go back millions of years. Should they have developed tech, even at our pace, they are cycles and cycles ahead of us.

What would stop them from throwing "shit at the wall to see what sticks" to survey surrounding systems, given that their costs of and ability to mass manufacture cheap space traveling drones would take little resources? Would they even care that much if what they built wasnt to perfection, as long as it got the job done? What if there are still anomalies that they just put up with and could careless about accounting for because the losses are so minimal? What if the ones piloting are throwaway biological drones that they can just rebuild or grow? What if their ethics forbid them from interacting or interfering with developing civilizations? What if there's are agreements/laws among a collection of civilizations?

Additionally, there have been attempts by people to get this info out for decades, and what's being brought to congress' attention is that people have been murdered by governments and private organizations to keep this under wraps and to continue public disinfo to keep the ridicule going.


Doesn’t just the idea of a craft - that’s either FTL or teleports - reaching Earth and them having engine trouble, seem a little silly?


Say we developed that tech, and travelled to another star system.

A technical or psychological malfunction occurs in a novel environment.

What about this scenario seems silly?


I can imagine that if there is FTL or teleport technology, it could have trouble upon arrival at a planet, because at that point it has to switch to a different mode and deal with gravity and air.

If you're teleporting many lightyears, it would be difficult to hit the target exactly - for example, if your distance is off by 0.00001% of the total, you could end up inside the earth.


Not at all


> mental gymnastics people here make to discredit some of our most elite intelligence officials

It takes no mental gymnastics whatsoever to discredit them. They've done that themselves, time and time and time again. It takes mental gymnastics to retain trust in them.




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