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With an android phone you also primarily getting a walled garden unless you explicitly looking to pirate apps or are buying one of the few models with an open bootloader and an active development community which at that point it’s basically a project phone.

The main difference is that the walled garden you get with Apple will be landscaped and taken care off for years and not arbitrarily abandoned and turned into a drug den.




If Apple is walled garden, Android is fenced playground: there are fences and gates, but they are just to keep kids in, any adult can open those easily.

You don't need to root your phone to install random apk files from the web. There are few clicks in the settings, and then it just works. You can have multiple app stores, or download apps from the websites.


There is essentially no reason to use an alt store unless you are looking to explicitly pirate or Google isn’t operating in your area, sideloading APKs from the web is a very good way of turning your phone into someone else’s phone based on how many of the APK aggregators are injecting malware into their downloads.

Android is a viable system however to use it securely as a device that has your life on it you are going to have use it as a walled garden or spend countless hours doing everything yourself.

And the overall experience will be worse especially when higher end devices cost as much if not more than an iPhone.


F-Droid has termux and lots of other FOSS software. It isn't for everyone, but there are good reasons that some go outside of the app store.


I hear those points, but none of them make Android "walled garden". "Walled garden" requires lack of user options re app sources, such as what iPhones do, and Android has many non-Google app sources.

The fact that dogma1138 did not find any of those non-Google app sources useful does not make Android systems a walled garden.

I know of Linux systems whose users only ever install apps from default repositories. I know of Window systems which are set to only allow apps from app store. This does not mean they are closed, it just means their users do not need more.


Nah, apparently you haven't used an Android phone recently, and I assume you never installed F-Droid. Sorry your comment is completely wrong.


> Apple will be landscaped and taken care off for years and not arbitrarily abandoned and turned into a drug den

Exactly. And to anyone complaining about Apple fees. Get this in your head: running that ecosystem costs money. I get it that sometimes crap slips through, no system is bulletproof. But that's where the cut goes to. Yeah, we can discuss if it's 15 or 30 percent. But you at least get a human to communicate with on the other side.


Sorry, what? Are you talking about the iOS App Store that's been an unmitigated dumpster fire for like a decade? I don't even open the thing, ever. It's so filled with flaming garbage that I will only find and acquire an iOS app via reddit, HN, or AlternativeTo.


I don't know what you are talking about. This isn't my experience and I valued human contact some years ago when I was doing iOS development myself. Not my experience. However, I appreciate that my experience may not reflect the experience of another iPhone user.


It’s also important to add that whilst it does happen that Apple bans accounts from at least my anecdotal evidence is that it’s far more common with Google and then you’re pretty royally fucked.


> I get it that sometimes crap slips through, no system is bulletproof.

What’s the point of suffering walled garden if it’s not even bulletproof?


> > And to anyone complaining about Apple fees

Hackers don’t complain about fees they complain about the inability to have such fees subsidized by Fortune500 companies.

This is what happened for years when hackers and wiseguys would pirate Microsoft products…up in Redmond they just kept the score and passed the bill onto the big corporate clients who’d never pirate anything out of fear of lawsuits.

This is how things work in every realm, the catious elite subsidise the risktaking poor.


Good point.




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