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Have you been into Ukraine recently? It’s perfectly normal and friendly, at least was last year when Kyiv was being hit far harder than now



Yeah definitely recommend Kherson and its 2023 spring flooding. Commuting to work by boat Venice’s style and big free surprise washing of entire neighborhoods. What a normal and friendly place!


To be honest, Ukraine wasn’t ever exactly “normal and friendly”. I’ve been there multiple times. The last time I was in Kiev I witnessed a drunk man urinating in public - at noon - on a center street. Everyone treated this like it was a perfectly normal occurrence.

It wasn’t a bad place to spend a few weeks but you would definitely get the occasional reminder that hey, this isn’t Europe anymore, Dorothy.


> The last time I was in Kiev I witnessed a drunk man urinating in public - at noon - on a center street. Everyone treated this like it was a perfectly normal occurrence.

If this shocks you, you might want to avoid visiting San Francisco. I hate pulling out this tired trope, but it felt actually appropriate here.


As illustrated by your comment, SF isn’t “normal and friendly” either.


If you want to see people urinating through their pants you are welcome to visit New York City subway.


The last time I was in [a certain part of] Kiev

Welcome to (certain parts of) Berlin, SF, NYC and scores of other places. Where sometimes even less pleasant things are to be seen. The fact that nobody does anything doesn't mean they find it to be "perfectly normal". Rather they are horrified, or simply inured -- and don't dare get involved for obvious reasons.

If anything such occurrences are far less common in Kyiv than in the above 3 places.


If that’s your “normal and friendly” Threshold I dread to think what you believe about Washington DC!

Haven’t been to Kyiv for a few months but immigration was fine, shops restaurants were open, people were normal. Sure you might get an air raid, but then in the US you might get shot


If you're going to spell it "Kiev", why not just go all the way and refer to the country as "the Ukraine"?


Any recommendations for a good B&B in Bakhmut?




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