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Debian is *NOT* hostile towards its user base. And these days, that's worth more than its weight in gold.

But feel free to keep being the "old man yells at cloud". that cloud (microsoft) doesn't care.




To lmm (flagkilled post decrying systemd)

This youtube video has been featured here before, "The Tragedy of Systemd" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19207533

Like the 1h long video goes into detail, I think that systemd is a definite step in the right direction, but definitely has bad aspects about it. To that end, I think work can be (and is being) done to remedy those deficiencies.

Now to compare "good intending but buggy software" to malicious (and guilty of monopolization exploitation) actions to further cement themselves in the lead is completely and utterly a laughable comparison.


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Oh christ, this nonsense again. The switch to systemd was a practical engineering decision. Shoving ads into the Start menu has totally different intentions, and totally different effects on user experience.

I tried Devuan. It sucked. It booted slower, it was more difficult to set up, and apt upgrade made things explode more frequently that it does in Debian. If all you did on your computer was browse the internet, you'd never know the difference. If you use your computer for anything more sophisticated than that, Devuan offered a markedly worse experience. I don't care what you think of Poettering.


Comparing a not-for-profit that made one decision you didn't like to a company that has a long history of screwing over the entire personal computing ecosystem for commercial gain is delusional.


> against the wishes of its userbase

Against the wishes of a (vocal) part of its userbase. There's plenty of people running Debian that welcome the switch to systemd.


Debian is kinda being forced to move. Without systemd, half of the newer feature in Gnome are unusable.

to be frank, it is not a hard requirements... But debian don't have the resources to support both use cases


There are other DE besides Gnome. And window managers. Slackware dropped Gnome a long time ago.




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