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Launch HN: Common Paper (YC W23) – SAFEs for Commercial Contracts
431 points by jakestein on May 23, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 167 comments
Hey HN, we’re Ben and Jake, founders of Common Paper (https://commonpaper.com). We provide standard, open-source contracts and a platform for getting them signed quickly. See https://youtu.be/f7maIapJpU4 for an overview, and https://youtu.be/A1PWjWiheFk for a demo of sending and signing a contract.

I (Jake) was a co-founder of two B2B SaaS companies, RJMetrics (where Ben and I met), and Stitch. Everything about contracts was frustrating, both at those startups and the larger companies that acquired us.

Way too often, the contracting process with a customer got adversarial—arguing over whose template to use, emailing Word docs back and forth, huge legal fees, and unpredictable delays that made it hard to know if a deal would ever close. Then, when we finally got the customer to sign, we had to keep track of all of the promises embedded in the contract. This is difficult when you have hundreds of customers and contract PDFs full of unstructured text.

The breaking point came when one of our customers was acquired by Oracle. They wanted to keep using our product, but had to move from our original contract to the one that Oracle uses. In exchange for this, they were willing to increase the price they were paying from $6,000 to $24,000 per year.

It took us 9 months to get the new contract in place, just to enable them to keep using the product. We spent more on attorneys than we gained from the upsell. And there was basically nothing we could do to improve that process as a single company operating in a system where standards don’t exist.

Contrast that to the standardization that the SAFE, or Simple Agreement for Future Equity, brought to seed investments, and the potential is obvious. (Past discussion of the SAFE at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33639191)

If you’re a startup raising money on a SAFE, the process is simple, whether you’re raising $10k from an angel or $1M from a VC. Everyone already uses, or at least is familiar with, the same basic contract. There are a few variables that change on a deal-by-deal basis, but the transactions are vastly more efficient because everyone is on the same standard contract.

If you start with standard contracts, you can build very different software to manage them compared to traditional contracts. Our business model is to provide the standard contracts for free and charge money from companies who use our software to sell to their customers (more on this below).

The standard contracts we create are all related to buying and selling B2B software. This includes a non-disclosure agreement, (https://commonpaper.com/standards/mutual-nda/), sales contract (https://commonpaper.com/standards/cloud-service-agreement/), SLA, DPA, ToS, etc. The full list is at https://commonpaper.com/standards/.

The process for creating and revising the contracts is modeled after an open-source software project, and they are released for free (as in both speech and beer) under the Creative Commons CC BY 4.0 license.

We have a committee of 40+ attorneys from tech companies and law firms who are analogous to code contributors (https://commonpaper.com/committee). An attorney on our team, who you can think about like a maintainer, collects all of their feedback and synthesizes it into a version for release (eg the Design Partner Agreement v1.0). We post the agreements as DOCX, PDF, and HTML on our website and host markdown on Github.

Most of the usage of the agreements happens outside of our platform, and we don’t have any visibility into that unless people choose to tell us. However, we do know that thousands of companies have signed the agreements, and millions of dollars worth of deals have been closed on them.

Each agreement is split into two sections: the standard terms, which are the same across all instances, and a cover page, with variables that can be customized for a particular company and deal. The latter is basically a schema for each agreement type, and that leads to the fundamental trade-off in how we build our software. We have less flexibility around types of contracts (because we’re focused on the standard agreements, not arbitrary DOCX files), but in exchange, every agreement type has a consistent data model, which means that we can build integrations and features that work across all customers. This gain is huge.

For example, we can use the data in the fees section of our standard Cloud Service Agreement to automatically generate invoices and subscriptions using Stripe. Similarly, it’s trivial to use our API (https://api.commonpaper.com/docs) to check if an active NDA is in place before sharing confidential information or to keep a spreadsheet up to date with the SLA obligations for different customers.

Traditional contract management tools are built around adding electronic signatures to documents full of unstructured text and/or creating a custom data model from a particular company’s bespoke contract. There’s no way they can offer features like this without a custom project for each particular contract. It’s basically the difference between custom software and a software product.

Part of our feature set overlaps with the traditional tools. We can do things like send a contract to the other side, propose changes, approve, and sign. But our negotiation model is different in that it encourages both sides to keep changes narrowly scoped to the variables in the cover page. That makes it faster both to propose the changes and for each side to understand, and accept or reject, the changes proposed by their counterparty.

We believe that, just as with SAFEs in the investment world, the potential efficiency gains and positive side effects of this model are so big that the transition is inevitable. We’d love for you all to try it out and let us know your feedback and suggestions. The agreements are free forever, and our software is free as well until you use it to close deals with 5 customers. https://commonpaper.com/product/.

We’re interested to hear about any experiences you’ve had with contracts and how you’ve worked with them. We look forward to your comments!




Congrats on launch!

By the time YC published the SAFE, it had a lot of soft power and influence in early stage investing, because it could coordinate with every YC startup in the batch and give them cover if an investor had an issue with the SAFE. They essentially had a "union" (on the startup founder side) with critical mass, which when they all demanded the use of the SAFE instead of bespoke docs (which many investors to this day still try to mess with the standard SAFE), it just became easier for the whole industry to adopt the standard.

I'm curious how you guys are thinking about achieving that effect in the realm of each type of contract? Because on a 1-1 basis, it seems like the bigger party will always just demand their lawyers' preferred contract, and they can have a lot more leverage than a smaller startup.

The other challenge I can see is that ultimately, there's a perverse incentive when it comes to the lawyers. In my experience, large corporate firms like Orrick and WSGR are pretty aligned, because they want the long-term relationships with tech startups. But this product objectively reduces the need for lawyers (which I'm all for, btw!). For larger companies, where they pretty much pass it to their retained law firm at the contract stage of the process, what incentive is there for the lawyers to go with the standard contract (low billable hours), versus a bespoke contract (where they'll make a lot more money)?

Or I guess, how are you guys getting around the lawyers and selling the companies themselves, over the probable objections of their law firms?

I love this, and it seems you've already gotten some good traction, good luck!


I appreciate that, and you're right that overcoming the cold start problem is the key to establishing a standard. We've tried to learn what we can from how YC published the SAFE, as well as other standard contracts like the NVCA model docs, IAB standard terms, ISDA master agreement, etc.

For us, it's about providing day 1 value to the users of the contracts that does not depend on the agreements already being widely adopted. One example of that is our Stripe integration, which enables our customers to automatically bill their customers once they sign a contract. This uses the information already in their contracts, and it saves a lot of manual work and helps them get paid faster, and is separate from the negotiation benefits.

The other thing I'll point out is that our users have been seeing more success in using the standard contract from when we released our original NDA. Instead of losing an arm wrestling match because they have less leverage, they can say something like, "We adopted this standard agreement created by a committee of attorneys." That doesn't work every time, but we've seen some companies cut the percentage of their deals on customer paper in half.

We've seen a big range of reactions from attorneys. While we have some big supporters (and committee members) at law firms, we've gotten more traction with in-house counsel. I think it's at least partially because of the reasons you outlined. I do hope to get all the law firms on board as a channel eventually, but for now, we're focusing our energy on the companies themselves.


Yea definitely makes sense to me that you're concentrating on the company's experience! It's also such a massive market (just like, all companies), that there's an insane amount of room to grow, even without tackling the david vs goliath problem.

Excited to see this take off!


Congrats on the launch! There's certainly a "problem" worth solving here. I'm a lawyer, and it's crazy that I occasionally actually have to negotiate non-substantive parts of contracts like severance clauses. There really should be standardized boilerplate for at least some provisions (like you're doing), where companies can quickly say "we are using the common terms", and if another side pushes back it raises questions. That said, it's tricky to deal with edge cases, differences in state law, etc.

Nevertheless, I like your approach. Kudos especially to open sourcing the contracts--in fact, I think that's critical to success in this space. Open sourcing the terms allows companies to understand them and quickly agree to them with confidence. Wishing you luck!


As a serial business owner and principal, it's crazy that anyone expects me to agree to boilerplate contracts without negotiation. Boilerplate is a first draft as far as I'm concerned.

Who is to say what is substantive to me?


Just to clarify, we do expect people to negotiate the contracts, and most of our users negotiate on at least some portion of their deals.

The difference is that the agreements are split up into cover pages, which are designed to be edited/negotiated for different companies and deals, and the standard terms, which are designed to be the same across uses of a particular agreement type.

As a simplified example, the standard terms included a section describing the limitation of liability. In that section, there's a variable for a "liability cap" which gets set on the cover page. The idea is that you might negotiate over whether that cap is $10,000, $1 million, or 2X the past 12 months' fees, but that you rarely need to negotiate the wording of the paragraph describing the limitation of liability.

All that being said, this won't work for every business or deal, but we do hope that it will work for an increasing percentage of them over time.


I think the value here is around starting with a known default. If someone hands you a contract which consists of a known boilerplate plus three changes, then (assuming you're already familiar with the boilerplate) you don't need to carefully read the entire contract word for word, you only need to look at the three changes, plus whatever customizations you'd like to propose. For the vast majority of the terms where neither party feels a need to deviate from the standard, you get two benefits: (1) the drafting party's lawyer won't put in onerous terms just to see whether they can get away with it, and (2) you don't need to read it carefully, because you already know what it says.

(This assumes some mechanism for ensuring that what is claimed to be a copy of the standard boilerplate, is in fact such, and has not been sneakily modified.)


The known default point is a big one, and making deviations visible is something we spend a lot of time thinking about. In our software, we make it easy for our users (and their customers) to know that nothing has been sneakily modified.

We don't yet have a straightforward way to do that for people who are using the contracts on their own outside the software. The best bet for now is probably something like a text diffing tool or Microsoft Word's built in comparisons.

We have some ideas for a native validator for the standards that IMO would be a better solution for those kinds of cases.


Have you seen Ink & Switch's Upwelling (https://www.inkandswitch.com/upwelling/)? I think you might find it at least a little interesting, although it's more focused on non-fiction (where you trust all parties) than contracts. From a user perspective, it provides version control, diffing and both collaborative and private editing, all things that seem like they would be very useful when creating & editing contracts.


I had not seen that, thanks for sharing. As you said, this is a different kind of version control from what we offer, but I think we could borrow some of their ideas, or at least use it as inspiration. It's very cool


There are plenty of areas where there is a standardised starting point for contracts - ISDA has already been mentioned but you also have LMA loan documentation in the financial space, standard/default articles of association for companies, various standardised construction contracts (eg NEC in the UK), standardised contracts (sometimes even written into legislation) for land purchases, etc - the point is you draft (to greater or lesser extent) on the basis of where you want to differ from the standardised contract. Creating standardised contracts in such a way that the commonly customised parts are machine readable data sounds like a very good thing to me.


I really appreciate the kind words, and I totally agree that there will edge cases that the standards don't yet support. Our goal is to gather feedback on things like that (and places where the contracts can be simpler / easier to understand) and incorporate that into future versions. We're always looking for more great attorneys to get involved, and if you have any interest, you can fill out the form on the bottom of this page: https://commonpaper.com/committee


> There's certainly a "problem" worth solving here. I'm a lawyer, and it's crazy that I occasionally actually have to negotiate non-substantive parts of contracts like severance clauses. There really should be standardized boilerplate for at least some provisions (like you're doing), where companies can quickly say "we are using the common terms", and if another side pushes back it raises questions.

This is exactly how it should be.

The last thing I want is "Customer A pushed back against 'We are your exclusive supplier no matter your future price increases' to be "common".

Even worse, the "standard" terms that an employee usually agrees to.

If some side (actually, their lawyer) pushes back on something, then it's not "common", now is it?


> if another side pushes back it raises questions

This highlights a peril of this sort of approach: were it successful in its mission, a for-profit company would be in the privileged position of getting to define what constitutes “reasonable” agreement terms.


This is brilliant, and I'm going to implement the CommonPaper contracts for Cloud Service Agreement, DPA, and SLA.

I think an Acceptable Content Policy/Fair Use policy and a Privacy Policy are what's missing if I was going to replace all of our self-serve agreements with your Toolkit.

Also, your "governing law/courts/jurisdiction/" sections (in the step-by-step forms) only target the U.S. ; I don't think there's a solid reason to restrict the choice of country.

For instance IMHO if I'm incorporating in Singapore, and I'm choosing to adopt the Common Paper agreement, customizing the Cover page to my country is my problem but I shouldn't be prevented from doing so.

I also see that you'd only gotten 1 comment on your earlier "Show HN", and now 165+ on your "Launch HN" post, so congrats!

I wish you great success with this business. I think the value you provide is awesome.


This is a great market that nobody has run away with yet. If you find the right combination of features around contract lifecycle, it could be yours.

Common docs (clerky), redlining (ms word), esigning, tracking self serve contracts (ironclad), contract lifecycle management (pandadoc), employee onboarding (gusto).

There’s a lot of good criticism here about edge cases and getting buyin from large customers. But at the end of the day there are a ton of companies with zero game plan around their contracts process, plenty of room for a good product.

Curious how you’re thinking about dealing with ms word and ‘track changes’. Every lawyer wants to live there. Do you fight this or build your product to work word-first?


You're totally right that lawyers want to live in Word. In the MVP version of the product, we tried to get everyone into the web app. Some people loved it, but we hit a brick wall whenever someone needed to go to Word.

We've since added native export to Word at every step in the contract lifecycle. One of our most requested features is the ability to easily re-import those Word files back into the same workflow after they've been edited, and we're working on a project right now to make that happen.


That’s great to hear. These guys do some smooth interactions with ms word and version tracking, worth checking out:

https://www.simuldocs.com/features/collaborate-microsoft-wor...


Interesting, I will check them out, thank you


Great interface. Questions:

> The process for creating and revising the contracts is modeled after an open-source software project Which Open Source Project? Could you link it please?

What do you mean by Open Source Contracts? Do you mean community edits & maintains contract templates?

Do you have APIs to integrate?

Do you have your own way of signing contracts or use third party tools like DocuSign?


Thanks for these questions, taking each in turn:

> The process for creating and revising the contracts is modeled after an open-source software project Which Open Source Project? Could you link it please?

We didn't model it after a particular open-source project. Rather, we tried to take lessons learned from open-source software projects in general and apply those lessons to the creation and maintenance of the standard contracts.

> What do you mean by Open Source Contracts? Do you mean community edits & maintains contract templates?

There's a few elements of what we mean by this: - The contracts are released under the Creative Commons CC BY 4.0 license. It shares a lot of principals and goals with the OSI licenses for software (eg Apache and GPL) but is built for things other than software - Yes, the community edits and creates the agreements. The community members are largely attorneys rather than software developers, and you can see a list of some of the most active members here: https://commonpaper.com/committee/ - We have an amazing attorney on our team who is analogous to the maintainer of an open-source project. She solicits and collects feedback from the community and makes the final decision about what does and doesn't get into any particular release.

>Do you have APIs to integrate?

Yes, and you can see the docs here: https://api.commonpaper.com/docs

>Do you have your own way of signing contracts or use third party tools like DocuSign?

We embed Dropbox Sign (formerly HelloSign) within our product for this step


Hi, one of the co-founders here!

1. We didn't model it after a specific open source project, but Jake worked on https://www.singer.io. We do take inspiration from Open Source licenses like Apache 2, GPL, MIT, etc.

2. Open source in the sense that the terms of the contract are open source and released under a CCBY license. Terms are available via versioned URLs, github markdown source control, and maintained by a committee of contributors (attorneys).

2. Yes! You can find our REST API docs here: https://api.commonpaper.com/docs. It uses the JSONAPI spec.

3. We're currently integrated with Dropbox Sign.


Your main pitch is on open source standardized contracts and that definitely resonates, but as a current Ironclad user where they’re our single-most expensive SaaS subscription, your contract lifecycle management system built for startups is what resonates for me.

Do you plan on offering migration services from Ironclad? That would amount to importing our workflows and repository.


I would love to have you as a customer, but I'd have to do more research on what it would take to import the workflows and repository. If you're open to talking about this, my email is jake [at] commonpaper.com


How much does iron clad cost, what's the 80-20 of its use for you?


This sounds very interesting. Your website doesn't appear to be loading. (edit: It's now back up - thanks!)

However, the idea of standard, programmable contracts is awesome!

One question: In your example of being forced to use Oracle's paperwork - it's not clear how CommonPaper would solve that - wouldn't you still have been forced to use Oracle's contract?


Shoot, thanks for flagging the website. I think we have it working now but trying to make sure it stays up.

For the Oracle example, big, old-school companies like this are definitely the hardest to get onboard. However, there are examples of large enterprises adopting standard contracts, including:

The biggest banks in the world trade derivatives using the ISDA master agreement (here's an example of Bank of America that they filed publicly: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1065696/000119312511...)

The largest ad platforms and advertisers use the IAB standard terms, often with a short addition specific to their company (Here's an example from Disney https://disneyconnect.com/dpep/disney-ad-guidelines/)

We've already seen examples of Fortune 500 companies signing Common Paper agreements, and we're hopeful that it will become more and more accepted by them over time


When you say Fortune 500 companies have signed your agreements, are these material agreements, or NDAs and small-dollar contracts? Or are they signing six- and seven-figure deals on your paper?


Some of them are six-figure deals. I don't personally know about any seven-figure deals, but we only find out about a minority of the use of the agreements.

The NDA is definitely the highest volume agreement, however. And a lot more of the deals are for 10k than $300k.


How much can you "see" of the contracts being signed? Is it a "we just promise not to look, much" or are they encrypted such that you need customer permission to view?


We would not need a customer's key in order to access a contract. However, only certain members of our team have the ability to access contracts, and they only do that when needed for support or to fix a bug. We log all instances of accessing a customer's account.

Stats like those I shared above are from a combination of what users tell us and from aggregated, anonymized metrics across our app.


Agreed…feels like this is as much a cultural problem as a tech one. Meaning, from my experience at large companies, I feel like those lawyers get off on the fight of who gets to write the terms


Culture is definitely part of the problem, and I completely agree that tech alone can't solve it. I also think it's critical to change the incentives that lawyers are responding to.

I've spoken with lots of lawyers in procurement at large companies. They're typically perceived as a cost center, and they often have to deal with lots of people from the rest of the business complaining that the contracts need to be reviewed/approved faster.

If they are processing thousands of vendor contracts per year, think about how much faster they can be if most/all of those contracts are on their in-house template, rather than a different template for each vendor.

But if lots of their vendors are using a standard contract, then there isn't the same cost in terms of time for using it.

All that said, this is going to be hard, and we're not expecting everyone to change overnight. We have, however, been encouraged to see examples of large companies signing the standard contracts, and we're grateful to have attorneys from big companies like Thompson Reuters and Salesforce on our committee.


I think you're on to something. Having done a bit of procurement pain, there is clearly a better way, and this might well be it. I'm rooting for you.


Thank you!


If company A manages to convince Oracle to use CommonPaper's agreement, it clears the way for startup B to use the same agreement, without spending months on lawyers!


That's right, and the other thing I forgot to mention is that we're seeing evidence that it becomes easier for company A as well.

If both sides are arguing for their own custom template, then it's basically an arm wrestling match and whoever has the most leverage wins. If one side instead says "We adopted this independent standard created by attorneys from a bunch of companies" they get more leverage while being less adversarial.

Our early users saw a significant increase in the percentage of deals on their own paper (which is/was the standard) before they could be getting any benefit from the customer having seen the agreement before.


Ran it by our Legal Department. The inability to customize all aspects of the contracts to handle specific needs for each contract renders this DOA.

What you see as unnecessary negotiation over "standard terms" they see as protecting the company's specific interests based on its needs and risk tolerances. By eliminating that, you've eliminated most of the potential market, since differences over "standard terms" usually reflect significant differences in each parties' specific legal needs and risk tolerances. It seems that you're targeting SV tech companies that all use the same group of VCs, which explains why they have a lot of standard terms they can all agree on. But once you expand outside of this narrow niche (and especially if your contracts involve foreign counterparties), this list of common standard terms selected by a third party that both counterparties can agree on without review or negotiation goes to zero. Even just a cursory review of the Professional Services Agreement raised several huge red flags that no competent Legal Department should agree to...

Also, any company that needs standardized contracting so they can automate processes based on that is large enough that they can simply demand their counterparties use their standard contracts...you're not getting Oracle and Apple or large companies to use these contracts (and especially not non-tech companies), and that means any customers who are dealing with such counterparties will need a separate process for handling those contracts, which makes contract management more complex, not less.


You also are going to quickly run into scaling issues. A main sell is that you have a team of “experts” draft the standard terms. But this means a new “expert” team for every new contract-type AND industry. The same type of contract (e.g., an MSA) can look very different in tech (where most of your expert attorneys work) than in pharma, ag, or oil & gas, for example.

Trust is also a big issue. “Standard” is never really standard. Contract language is always going to be biased towards one side of a deal. Take NVCA forms. They claim to be “model” but the language generally is drafted to favor VCs over founders. How can one trust that your “expert” group is creating truly neutral forms?

This also has malpractice / UPL written all over it. You are representing that your standard contracts are fair and balanced, but then are simultaneously attempting to disclaim liability by stating that you don't provide legal advice about the suitability of your standard contracts. Who bears responsibility if a 100M+ deal goes bust because of your standard contract?


I agree that ours isn't necessarily the right model for every industry. We do plan to expand beyond tech eventually. When we do that, we would need to work with a new set of attorneys with experience in that field as you suggest.

On your question about how to tell whether the forms are truly neutral, you don't have to take our or the committee's word on it. Since the docs are public and available for free, you and/or your attorney are welcome to review them. Lots of companies have done that and decided that they do represent a balanced standard, but some decide it's not for them.

We work closely with an attorney who specializes in the practice of law. They've helped us to strike a balance between offering something that we hope is useful while not running afoul of the UPL rules.


Totally agree that this won't work for all companies or situations. You're right that our initial target market is technology companies, although many of our users are outside Silicon Valley.

I also agree that getting large companies to agree to use the standards will be hard, but there examples of them adopting other standard contracts:

Here's Bank of America entering into the ISDA Master Agreement for financial derivatives https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1065696/000119312511...

and Disney using the IAB Standard Terms for online ads https://disneyconnect.com/dpep/disney-ad-guidelines/

We've already seen our users closing deals with Fortune 500 companies using the standard contracts, but we have a lot more work to do on that front.


Bank of America and Disney's ad department are using industry standard contracts for high-volume automated transactions where negotiation is not required or allowed, and review is not required by Legal prior to entry or execution.

Your product is intended for low-volume transactions that are intended for Legal to review before signing.

It's not even remotely the same thing, and if your advisors have suggested otherwise you need to replace your advisors.


I agree that many of the transactions on the IAB Standard Terms and ISDA Master Agreement are automated and don't involve negotiations. There are, however, also higher dollar value ad buys and derivative transactions that use those standard agreements and do involve negotiation.

I had a helpful conversation with an attorney who was previously at Facebook about this. They use the same basic addendum to the IAB Standard Terms for most of their ad sales, and they sometimes negotiate it with large customers.

We see a similar pattern among our users, where their lower dollar, high volume transactions don't involve negotiation, but their bigger deals do.

We don't yet have the same distribution as the IAB or ISDA, but our goal is that over time more and more companies will be able to focus just on the variables in the cover page of our standard agreements because their team has already reviewed our standard terms.


Came here to say this.

I'm a small real estate owner (alongside running a tech co). I spent about 90 minutes yesterday reviewing an agency agreement giving a brokerage the exclusive right to market one of my units (commercial) for lease.

Even in such a "simple" contract, I demanded many changes. They wanted the exclusive right to represent us in case the building was sold - I took that out. They wanted a flat 5% commission for the length of the lease - I changed that to only the first seven years. They wanted indemnity, and to be reimbursed for expenses, and many other things I just wasn't going to do.

It was the same thing with a lease earlier this year. We argued for months over the terms - how much rent, who was responsible for HVAC (me as owner, for replacing one unit, the tenant for ordinary repair and maintenance), late charges, whether or not we were doing ACH (my preference) or paper checks, whether or not a renewal option was included (I took that out), and a bunch of junk their lawyer wanted that I mostly managed to keep out.

Now, maybe there are some very basic agreements that can be relatively boilerplate, low-value things, or maybe it's valuable to start from some kind of common standard.

But in my experience, the whole concept of this product is flawed. It actually reminds me of something I built 5-6 years ago, a simple chat bot (called Interval) to handle scheduling for low-value items like tennis courts, or conference rooms. My view of scheduling was a practical problem, almost algorithmic, of making it easy to reserve something. What I didn't understand, was the huge amount of social context inherent in scheduling--who's important, who's friends with who, who's doing somebody a favor, who gets special treatment, and why.

There's a lot of social context there that means scheduling is going to stay in the human realm, for a LONG time, long, long after 50 more people try replacing it with an LLM.

This product feels the same. Every business contract is a complicated dance involving negotiating power, who needs who more, who cares more, what language stays in vs comes out, settling some kind of score (I did this for you last time, you owe me this time), and 100 other things.

There might some kind of low-value contracts that aren't customarily negotiated, or maybe real estate is a particularly negotiation-intensive field (very possible), but I have a very, very hard time seeing all of this getting "standardized" in the name of efficiency improvement. It just isn't going to happen.


It sounds like you're way more experienced than me with commercial real estate. I've done a handful of office leases, and I had a similar experience with tons of negotiation and arguing. It was a tremendous pain.

On the other hand, I live in Pennsylvania, and I bought my house using the PA Standard Agreement for the Sale of Real Estate. https://www.parealtors.org/standard-forms/ I spoke to a local real estate attorney who told me that there's no point in trying to negotiate the boilerplate in the doc, and I should only focus on a handful of variables like price, escrow, closing period, etc. He said that virtually all of the houses in our area are sold on the standard contract.

So my hope is that we can make tech commercial transactions more like my experience buying a house and less like my experience signing an office lease (or your experience with the agency agreement).


Honestly, good luck trying. Seriously. (Fellow founder here.)


Thank you!


I am building a business right now, and I need a standard contract for customers.

So this is exciting! I am delighted!

I just wish I were in the target audience. My business is not a startup, and I'm going to need specific terms because I'm a one-man shop. (How do you handle taking a vacation as a one-man shop? Work will effectively cease.)

Maybe I'll look at the contributor list and find an attorney in my state, which would still be vastly useful to me.


If you send us a note at support@commonpaper.com, we'd be happy to make an intro to one of the attorneys on the committee.

They can potentially help with configuring the standards for your business and/or drafting something custom if none of those are a fit


Thank you for the offer. I just went through the list, and unfortunately, I found none in my state. :(

I still might use the contracts, though. Thank you.


Business advice rather than legal but… your customers are working with a company, not a person: the number of people at your company is immaterial. Lots of well-funded startups send everyone on vacation at Christmas for 2 weeks, and in some parts of the world it’s very normal for people to take 4+ weeks off work in a row. Your focus should be on building a business that can operate while you’re on vacation, or when something unexpected happens like hospitalisation: putting vacations into a contract is the wrong solution (and people will think you’re bananas).


My business model is support for my software.

Can you tell me how to make my business run without me using that model? Most startups don't do support for this reason; I'm pretty sure it's impossible to do support without an available person.

But it's not unprecedented. Think Daniel Stenberg of libcurl.


I think most businesses solve this problem by charging enough to employ another person. If there's not enough value in the market for that then fair enough, but that would be the normal solution.


That is true, but it is a personal limitation of mine that I work best on codebases I don't share.

I have been thinking about how to handle this problem, and I'm not sure of the solution.


Would it require someone who works on the codebase? Or could you employ someone to be nice to customers and have just enough technical knowledge to do triage?


I have no idea.


I can't tell from the Privacy Policy who can end up getting access to information about what contracts I'm signing, and with whom. Nor can I tell for what purposes they may use that information once they have access to it.

I suppose what I really want from business legal document facilitation is lawyer-like confidentiality, which is the opposite of the typical mindset of tech companies.


I also often find it hard to get the information I actually care about from privacy policies. We tried to make it clear while checking the legal and compliance boxes we needed to, but I agree we can do better on that front. I'm also optimistic that this is an area where standards might be able to help, but I'm not a privacy policy expert and would need to do a lot more research to know for sure.

The short answer is that a subset of our team has the ability to access a user's contracts in order to provide support, fix bugs, and improve the product. We log instances when that access is used.

You're absolutely right that there are important differences between the attorney-client relationship versus the relationship with us or any other software provider. If that's not something you're comfortable with, then using the standard contracts without the software will probably be a better option.


It feels to me like where this is going to fall down is first contact with any business term that isn’t neatly covered by one of the form agreements. Not to say that this can’t be great for ordinary course arrangements that neatly fit within one of the defined buckets, but I’d be pretty wary (as either a business or a legal advisor) of any impulse to fit even a minimally bespoke deal into one of these templates.

Contracts exist in a weird state of counterpoise where they’re both supremely important (even the oft-maligned “boilerplate”) and totally inessential to the achievement of practical business objective. I’ve had clients sign contracts for nine-figure deals where no one has ever read the agreement after closing. But as soon as there’s a mismatch between the commercial expectations on either side, then every word matters.

And it’s just hard for me to understand how this is going to capture all the nuances of arrangements among sophisticated commercial parties. For instance, I saw on the site, several variations of alternative anti-assignment provisions. OK, so either the contact can or cannot be assigned. Simple enough. Does it also prohibit an assignment of the contract if the company is sold via a sale of all assets? (Should an ordinary course commercial contract really purport to dictate the form of a corporate-level transaction?) What about a pledge to secure debt? What about in an assignment for the benefit of creditors? What about an internal reorganization or transfer to an affiliate? What about a merger? What if the company issues new stock representing 19.99% ownership? 49%? 51%? And so on and so on ad nauseam.

Maybe these are all in fact selectable boxes and there’s language that addresses each of these fact patterns. But even aside from agreed language that, let’s assume, is good enough to implement the business understanding in each of these scenarios, these are weighty commercial decisions that require careful consideration.


There will definitely be deals where the standard agreements don't cover every term that is important to the parties involved. We have a few ways to address the kinds of nuances you're talking about.

The variables in the cover page are intended to handle the things that vary from deal to deal in most commercial software transactions. Those are basically the selectable boxes you referred to (or blanks to be filled in, etc).

For things not captured by those variables, there's a section on the bottom of the cover page called "Other changes to the standard terms." Users often choose an entry from the Language Library for that section, but they (or their attorneys) can write their own custom assignment language or whatever other specific term they need.

If there are a small number of edits in the "Other changes" section, it can be helpful to know that all of your agreements have their unusual elements in the same section. On the other hand, if a company or their attorney consistently needs to make a large number of edits in that section, it might be a sign that the standard contracts are not a fit for them.

When that does happen, we'd love to hear about it. That sort of thing is very helpful for us in thinking about what we can improve in future versions.


I just re-read the parent post, and was really struck by the reference to “documents filled with unstructured text.” I mean, that’s exactly what commercial contracting is - it doesn’t easily map to a simple schema outside very, very basic transactions. Fundraising and the SAFE is different because that transaction is really one of the simpler ones at the end of the day - $x for y% of the company based on a valuation cap of $z. Typically the issuer is a Delaware corp, so investors can rely on the fiduciary statutory and common law overlay.

But if it were structured as an investment in an LLC, or a debt financing, where all the rights are basically purely contractual, documenting that deal becomes much more difficult.

I’m not trying to put words in your mouth and saying that’s the problem you’re trying to solve, because I don’t think it is. But the reference to the SAFE is misleading because I think that’s one of the “easier” commercial transactions, and most legal documentation is complicated because the underlying deal is complicated.


I agree that a cloud service agreement is more complicated than a SAFE, and that's a result of the fact that the underlying deal is more complicated.

We use the SAFE as an example of a standard contract because it's one that our target users are familiar with. We believe that there are a lot of lessons worth learning from the SAFE's success, along with other standard contracts like the NVCA Model Docs, IAB Standard Terms, ISDA Master Agreement, etc.

Our users have signed thousands of contracts and closed millions of dollars of deals, so it's working for at least some commercial contracts. Of course, this is a tiny percentage of the overall market. Our bet is that it can become a much larger portion of the market, even if it doesn't get to 100%


There has been an effort to standardize MNDAs with oneNDA (https://onenda.org/), at least in tech and I've seen it work well for SaaS deals. I think they also released oneDPA but I haven't used it yet to understand if it accepted or not.

I wish more companies would use standard contracts, definitely helpful for smaller orgs with non-existen or very small legal teams. Now we just need them to be well accepted...


I'm right there with you on more companies using standards :)

As you mentioned, there are some other efforts to create standards like oneNDA. We're sort of competitive with them, in a similar way that the Apache license is competitive with the GPL.

While there are important differences in our approaches and focus areas, I'm a fan of more adoption of standards in general and there's a lot that we agree on.

Some companies choose Common Paper over oneNDA because we offer agreement types that they don't, including a Cloud Service Agreement, Design Partner Agreement, and Professional Services Agreement. As far as I know, they only provide agreement templates and not software to manage them.


What’s the business model here? The agreements are free, so I’m guessing you make money on contract management? But small startups don’t really need this (not enough to pay, at any rate), and larger startups do business with big entities that won’t sign hyper-standardized contracts like these, for the most part.

So assuming you’re charging for the contract management piece, who is the target customer (and how much do you charge)? Or do you provide some other value that I’m not seeing?


Pricing page is here: https://commonpaper.com/pricing

Small startups don't need contract management until they reach a point and then they wish they started doing it from day 1. :)

"hyper-standardized contracts" I suggest you take a look at the app! While our terms are immutable, the contracts can be heavily customized. So instead of hunting down a random word in a PDF you can focus on the things the material changes from agreement to agreement.


Whoa, that’s pricey! If I have a handful of customers, I’d definitely not want to be paying $600/yr for contract management. I’m not sure what “support” entails (you aren’t offering legal services, I imagine), but this strikes me as really pricey. Good luck though!


Thanks! Not sure how many are a handful, but your first 5 customers are free (no matter how many different contracts you send them). You're still welcome to download and use the contracts


You're correct that we make money by charging for our software. It's free until you use it to close deals with more than 5 customers, and free forever if you're just using it for NDAs.

Full details on pricing here: https://commonpaper.com/pricing/

Our target customers are B2B SaaS companies, and our goal is to have them start using us when they are small on the free version and grow with them.

I agree that the bigger entities are the hardest ones to get onboard with this, but our users have signed contracts with Fortune 500 companies and large universities, including deals for hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's actually in the cases where there's a big mismatch in size that we can provide the most help, although there are plenty of cases where the big company draws a hard line and won't use anything but their in-house contract.


Free NDAs forever is great! I run a B2B SaaS/licensing business, and this pricing strikes me as really high. But perhaps others see the value differently. I can see how it would be useful to constrain negotiations to the various bits that your contracts allow. But given how much contracts vary, and how larger orgs want to use their paper, it seems like this is an uphill climb. And if my biggest, most important contracts are outside of your system, that makes the overall utility much lower for me.

One question: how do you make sure that all of the different allowable options make sense together? For example, I see a governing law option. Can you only select from a few, pre-vetted options? What if someone selects a jurisdiction whose governing law isn’t compatible with other provisions in your contract (for example, termination terms or indemnification)? You wouldn’t want to give your customers the sense that they can play with terms like Lego blocks and be guaranteed that the result is something sensible, if this is not the case.


That's totally fair, and it might be partially a function of price point. If, say we can help our customers close a bunch of deals at $20k each, that's very different than a company who has an average price point of $1k each. You're always welcome to use the agreements for free separate from our software.

One thing I'll note is that we do support importing contracts on customer paper / or deals executed outside our system. We only have a subset of our features for those, but all of your contracts can be together in the same system.

On the options making sense together, the standard agreements are created by 40+ attorneys specializing in tech law and commercial contracts. They design our contracts to reflect what is industry standard with a focus on creating a fair and balanced starting point. That being said, each company chooses how they want to configure their own cover page. We provide tooltips and help articles on what the terms and variables mean, and companies can work with their attorney to set it up initially or include them in the workflow. We can intro our users to attorneys who are familiar to with the standards and do good work.


Can you help me understand how this platform, or the contracts alone, would help me close deals? I've never had a deal fall apart at this phase, or in a way that I could imagine this helping.

If the pitch is that it would save money on legal fees, then that could be a big value add. But if that's the angle, then my last question, regarding whether the docs are meant to be closed-universe and vetted, or open-universe and not vetted becomes critical. Founders wouldn't want to be changing options around and not realizing that they are creating confusing or unexpected results.

If they're supposed to still use a lawyer, then that blunts the value add (and the lawyer would likely resist the standardized agreement because it means fewer billable hours). But maybe you can get enough critical mass to be an 800-lb gorilla, like the SAFE has become? I appreciate the quick responses here, and am taking a look at the agreements to see if they could be relevant for our business.


There are a few related things here:

By making contract review and negotiation faster, we speed up your sales cycle and grow revenue faster. Faster sales cycles mean that you get paid faster, which in turn means that you can recycle cash into new customer acquisition investments and grow faster. We wrote a blog post about the math of how sales cycle speed translates to revenue growth here: https://commonpaper.com/blog/impact-of-accelerating-sales-cy...

Some of our users work with attorneys, and some do not. For the folks who do work with attorneys, we still make those relationships more efficient because the scope of negotiation is more narrow. As a simple example, if the attorney helps the founder understand the implications of increasing or decreasing a liability cap, it's straightforward for them to apply that info on their own for many deals in the future. With traditional bespoke contracts, if they see a bunch of redlines to a paragraph about liability, it's much harder for them to reason about whether or not this is safe to sign.

We try to help users understand what sort of information tends to go in each variable, but we stop short of providing customized advice. So we can help people understand that a liability cap might be a fixed number (eg $1 million), a multiple of fees paid (eg 1X the last 12 months fees), or unlimited. But we can't advise them on whether or not their particular company should take the risk of a particular level of cap in order to close a particular customer. That's the sort of thing they should talk to an attorney about.


As far as I can tell there is no information provided about what information security measures are in place to protect this hugely juicy target full of commercially sensitive info, and an explicit disclaimer saying "hey folks we offer no guarantees about reliability, uptime or whether we'll disappear in a puff of smoke with all your contracts." Bit worrying


This is a fair critique. We recently kicked off a project to get our SOC 2 report/ audit, and we should add a section to our site about our information security measures. Thanks for flagging that.

While we don't offer uptime guarantees to users on our free tier, SLAs are an option for paying customers.

All of our users, free and paid, can download all of their contracts and the associated structured data from our system at any time if they'd like a backup. Our API also makes it possible to do this continuously.


You picked a great name! I wish we could see something similar for the HIPAA business associate agreements in healthcare. It's pretty standard language, and a substantial part of healthcare contracts. I had to chuckle about the choice of court example on your website - it comes up so frequently, even I am aware of it, despite being on the tech side.


I really appreciate that, and stay tuned for a standard BAA coming soon. If you'd like to get a preview, email me jake at commonpaper.com


> The breaking point came when one of our customers was acquired by Oracle. They wanted to keep using our product, but had to move from our original contract to the one that Oracle uses. In exchange for this, they were willing to increase the price they were paying from $6,000 to $24,000 per year.

This is a cool idea, but the irony here is that Oracle probably still wouldn't use the Common Paper contract and insist on their own contracts instead. So am not sure if it is solving this particular problem.


Oracle and companies like it are definitely the hardest to get on board. That being said, our users have already closed deals with Fortune 500 companies using the standard contracts, and they see a big decrease in the percentage of deals that they have to do on their customer's contracts.

We're also encouraged by the examples of standard contracts in other domains that have gotten traction with large enterprises. Basically all of the big banks use the ISDA master agreement^1 for financial derivatives, and the vast majority of ads sold on the internet use the IAB standard terms^2.

1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISDA_Master_Agreement

2https://www.iab.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/IAB_4As-tsand...


Came here to make the comment that there are certain industry specific contract forms that are very deeply embedded in very narrow domains, including things like NAEBs (natural gas commodity sales) and the AIA Contract Forms (construction). And of course real estate. Some are publicly available. Others need to be purchased from the organizations that create them. The common factor seems to be sponsorship by an enduring organization that is widely trusted.


I had heard of the AIA forms but not the NAEB, thanks for sharing that one. Looking forward to checking it out.

I really like the framing of "an enduring organization that is widely trusted." Many of these are industry associations, but YC doesn't fit that criteria with the SAFE. Your definition captures all of the examples I can think of.


Today, no. But if the industry can standardize, it might get the behemoths to consider similar frameworks for the reduced expense and increased predictability. Maybe it won’t solve that particular problem today, but it stands a chance of improving things in the future … IFF someone is willing to start something now.


This is well said and a really important point that I often forget to highlight. If we're successful, the big companies will see a huge benefit.

I've interviewed a bunch of folks on enterprise procurement teams. They won't be early adopters, but they do want something like it to exist.


Is this similar to https://bonterms.com/?


There are some similarities in our model to Bonterms. We're sort of competitive with them, in a similar way that the Apache license is competitive with the GPL.

While there are important differences in our approaches and focus areas, I'm a fan of more adoption of standards in general and there's a lot that we agree on.

Some companies choose Common Paper over Bonterms because we offer agreement types that they don't, including a Design Partner Agreement and Partnership Agreement. As far as I know, they only provide agreement templates and not software to manage them.


We as a small SaaS selling into large companies and Bonterms has made negotiating what previously took months into a few days. The customers legal team agreeing to using this format is the most complicated. We just mention that most real estate deals are negotiated on standard paperwork with an overriding cover page - and so do we. Works amazingly well.


I work at a large publicly traded tech company and spend 3-5 hours a week in various meetings solely focused on getting updates on the contracting process with fewer than 20 enterprise accounts... I may not be able to use this near term but thank you for creating it and I will share with my stakeholders for inspiration at the very least.

I do share carlosdp's concern on law firms' (and even internal legal teams)'s willingness to use something like this though, as it threatens their billable hours (or soft power)


I appreciate sharing it with your team. On the topic of getting updates from contracts, I've had a similar (frustrating) experience. One thing we offer to make that easier is a Slack integration to proactively alert the relevant stakeholders when an important event has happened with a contract. We also have an API and webhook for getting it into other systems.

For internal legal teams, the biggest motivator is often re-allocating their time to more strategic and/or more interesting work. They have a long list of other projects that they'd rather focus on if they can reduce their time spent on yet another NDA or routine sales contract.


Congrats on the launch! I'm often annoyed with how slow and expensive getting lawyers involved is, and everything is clouded with legalese which makes it impossible to understand. There's no reason to have this, we can have standard stuff and agree on high level terms.

Additionally, let us[1] know if you need help with your webhooks, we do webhook sending as a service and help quite a few companies do a great job there. Though glad to see you already have them, that's such a quality of life improvement to be able to hook to actions.

1: https://www.svix.com


Do you offer integration with docusign or Adobe? I failed to understanding the signing process. I am not the target demographic but I toyed with the idea of such products as this field is a total mess.


We embed Dropbox sign in our product in all of our tiers. We can also integrate with company's Docusign or Adobe sign accounts, but it's not part of the default offering


This is awesome.

I really like the fact that templates are available on GitHub: https://github.com/CommonPaper

I cofounded a company that develop and sells an OpenSource software and it's a huge pain to write the contract. It's also costly... as I don't trust myself to write a contract and ask a lawyer to do it...

I see that templates are more for cloud based offering but that would be great to extend this to on-premise contrat too. I would be happy to contribute.


Thank you, and you're correct that so far we've been mostly focused on cloud software so far. We've recieved some other requests for an on-premises contract as well, and we plan to add that.

The Cloud Service Agreement allows for a product with both on-prem and cloud-hosted components, so it might be a fit if you have a web-based control plane, for instance. However, if your product is purely on-prem, then the CSA is probably not the right fit.


Yes, it's purely on-prem for now.

Will follow closely your development, don't hesitate to ping me if you need some inputs to work on an on-premise contract.


I really appreciate that, thank you


This guy Art Vandelay is a real piece of work, consider all agreements with him with top care.

Btw love the product. Would be nice to have optional blocks with explainers. Something like special terms. Also, LLMs would be nice so that you could ‘chat’ with the document to understand it better. Make it explainable. Or to help you define specific parts such as the subject of the NDA, which are typically too broad or undefined. LLMs could help users better define those parts by asking questions and writing the subject section.


I suspect you might enjoy signing an NDA with Vandelay Industries https://app.commonpaper.com/pages/eceaa29b0494074a

Great point on optional blocks/special terms. We have a project on the roadmap to make it easier to incorporate entries from the language library into your agreements https://commonpaper.com/language-library/

We're always looking for additional ways to help people understand the agreements and figure out how to configure them. I agree LLMs could provide help there, and it will be fun to figure out the right way to leverage them


The optional block/explainer bit is how Westlaw practical law works. It seems like the main advantage of this over having lawyers who each have access to some tool that is proposing optional sections is that in this model, the end users agree to limit themselves to the optional blocks but they aren’t getting advice on what they mean.

The first is an improvement but without the second I’d be a little concerned. The construction industry has stock contracts like these and I’ve seen them go sideways for sure.


To your point about advice on what the blocks mean, we've started to do two things related to this, and I'd be interested to know if either are close to what you have in mind.

1) We have a language library (https://commonpaper.com/language-library/) of optional sections to add for specific use cases. Most of them don't yet have much context beyond the language itself, but here's a page where we provide an explanation https://commonpaper.com/standards/mutual-nda/account-mapping

2) In certain places within the app, we have tooltips with short explanations and links to longer help articles. So when you hover over "Auto renewal" we pop up the text "At the end of this contract, do you want your customer to automatically roll into another contract on the same terms? Learn more."


I'd also be interested to know which standard contracts you've seen in the construction industry. We're always trying to learn from other, related projects


ConsensusDocs would be one I’ve seen end up in a big ol’ fight. I gotta spend a little more time to answer the other question, though.


I had not heard of ConsensusDocs, thanks for sharing. I'm especially fascinated by cases like these where you have to pay for access to the standard contracts. Looking forward to learning more about them.

Sounds good re the other question, thanks in advance


Generally speaking your approach seems good. You have the advantage of having “option” that are fairly easy to describe and rely more on the description of the business activity considered, not the law.

Take for example a LLC operating agreement. It might have a whole section about securities law and making sure all the members of the LLC are qualified investors, not on OFAC, Americans, fewer than 100 in number, not in need of liquidity, understand the risks, what have you. A closely held family farm would need none of this.

So in a commercial document templating service, “make sure none of the investors make our company ineligible to be an s-corp” would definitely be an option.

The design choice is whether you can get away with a user experience that asks the user “hey are you cool with not paying attention to a bunch of stuff investors might be interested in, but isn’t necessary to allow you to pass the farm to your kids?” Sure it’s a lot simpler not to have to know any of the law, and yes it’s impossible to really make the decision of which contract to use in an educated way without knowing a wide range of stuff.

I guess what I’m acknowledging is that my design suggestion of “be like west law” is mostly junk; you explicitly don’t want to do that because it would not spark any kind of customer joy (and plus, Westlaw is a thing already).


That's helpful context, thanks. And your last sentence made me smile. Definitely helpful to hear how you think about this


Looks nice, congrats on launch! I hope to see this concept expand beyond SaaS.

My company deals a lot with government contracts, which is a slightly different beast in that they are actually semi-structured (via FAR and DFAR), but would be extremely useful to have tools to help us understand and track our contracts at a glance, and create compliant sub-contracts (for instance identify flow-down clauses).

Probably such tools exist, but gov contracting tools are typically extremely expensive, not targeting small business.


That's really interesting, I'm not familiar with FAR and DFAR but spent a few minutes reading about them and I'm looking forward to learning more.

We do plan to expand beyond SaaS later on. What kinds of products and services does your company sell to government?


I’ve seen so many deals get hung up on the smallest legal issues. One time a company spent 6 months just negotiating the NDA before could even get to a POC that the champion kept pushing and wanting to do!

I think what’s cool about CommonPaper is not just having the negotiations scoped to smaller areas but also the affect on the sales cycle. If can trim months off a deal process, that can help save a startup in terms of resources spent and dollars coming in earlier.


That's a good point, and the magnitude of the impact of speeding up sales cycles can be really surprising if you haven't done the math. We wrote a blog post about this last year with a model in Google Sheets that you can customize for your business, but the TLDR was that while holding everything else constant, moving the sales cycle from 4 month to 3 increases ARR by 46%. That's with the same starting capital.

Full blog post and math here: https://commonpaper.com/blog/impact-of-accelerating-sales-cy...


I do love the concept. I could see us using the standard terms. I am not sure about spending $5 per contracted customer per month forever. This seems like a lot. It feels like it should scale down or something, maybe $1/mo? or $5 per contract? Maybe the answer is cheap people can just use the open source docs without the tools...

I like the concept, I just don't see how I could pay for this at my (bootstrapping) company!


That's good feedback on our pricing, thanks for that. One thing I'll clarify is that this is just for customers with whom you sign contracts. If you have self serve customers that do click through agreements, we don't charge you for them.

A common pattern we see among our users is that they have a high volume of low priced customers on their self serve plans, and then a smaller number of high dollar customers on something like an enterprise plan. These enterprise customers are the ones where you need to sign contracts and have negotiations. That's more the case where our software is helping, and it's only these that we charge for.

And yes, you're always welcome to use the open source docs for free if the software doesn't make sense for you.


This is one of those things that sounds cool at first but in reality, the sheer volume of edge cases because the real problem

I bet this is gonna raise funding though


I agree that the edge cases make this extremely challenging. That goes both for making the standard contracts and the software that manages them.

For each contract, we go through a multi-month process with 40+ attorneys to vet the standards against all of the permutations they've seen without making the agreements too complex.

On the software side, this is a big part of the value of structured data. We make it easier to keep track of the different variations you've agreed to in different contracts. It's a tricky balance to make sure our users are never constrained from closing new customers while still making sure the software sticks to and takes advantage of the standards.


Congrats on launching! It's a very useful tool for entrepreneurs looking for basic agreements or standardized contracts. I'm also curious about how Common Paper can enable users to employ AI to generate contract insights and recommendations.


I’ve been using CommonPaper since they first put up their concept and it’s all sorts of awesome. Awesome in principle and very convenient for my boutique security consulting business.

Absolute no brainer for us to use what they have built. It was instrumental in getting us off the ground.

Congrats team on YC and the launch.


Thank you!


We've been using CommonPaper for our contracts and NDAs since we started selling. It's been super useful during negotiations and makes it way easier for clients who don't have lawyers to understand what's going on in the terms.

Congrats team on the launch!


I appreciate you taking a chance on us when we were brand new!


Congrats on launching. This is a very new area for me. How does tech solve this problem?


Your intuition is right, and in our view tech only solves part of the problem. We believe that the actual content of the contracts needs to get standardized, in addition to deploying tech against the contract problem

When lots of organizations use standard contracts, everyone becomes more efficient regardless of what tech they use (or even if they're just working with contracts manually). Standardization also enables us to build a different kind of software for managing contracts


Thanks for responding. At first glance it seemed like a smart contract solution. Good luck!


> Everything about contracts was frustrating, both at those startups and the larger companies that acquired us.

In Hollywood, a lot of stuff is agreed upon without a contract. How does that work?

If your instinct is to say "it's a disaster," this will fail.


I don't have experience with contracts (or the lack thereof) in Hollywood, and that's interesting to hear.

One guess is that it might be a relatively small community where the same people and companies do business with each other over and over. In a community like that, some of the jobs that contracts do in other industries might be done through norms and relationships.

I enjoyed "Why Trust Matters" by Ben Ho (https://www.amazon.com/Why-Trust-Matters-Economists-Guide/dp...) and it talked about a sweet spot where contracts shouldn't try to over or under-specify the deal in order to optimize for trust. I'm sure that some industries, like Hollywood, have less laid down in contracts than others.

If you're open to it, I'd love to hear more about how you've seen this work in Hollywood.


I signed up, it's valuable to me at AppMana. Trust resonates with me.

> If you're open to it, I'd love to hear more about how you've seen this work in Hollywood.

There's so much to say. But maybe the most important thing to you is that entertainment lawyers are customarily paid 5% of the transaction's value to their client. So you get quality and often creative legal advice, with aligned incentives, whether you're Leonardo DiCaprio or some nobody.

Every startup is a nobody.


Oh interesting, I could see how a percentage of the transaction's value could totally change the incentives and behavior compared to hourly billing. Thanks for sharing that and for signing up


It's only a disaster when there's a non-simple failure on one part or the other.

That's the set of contingencies that contracts are supposed to address.


Congrats on the launch! Common paper helped me customized my first contract and had the customer signed it within 3 days, all without having to pay for a lawyer. Fantastic product that helps founders.


Thank you!


Wow, that does look awesome. However it seems that all the contracts use typical US boilerplate language - do you have any plans to make derivatives usable for the major European economies?


The short answer is yes, we do plan to add versions for other countries. I expect Canada to likely be the first country we add, followed by the UK.


Really cool resource and congrats on the launch! It would be great to see more supported countries, I guess beside some technicalities, it will be the same for many?


There are likely similar things already in some countries. I know Finland has IT-ehdot (IT-terms), they are made by a group of organizations (the Finland Chamber of Commerce, Technology Industries of Finland, Finnish Association of Purchasing and Logistics LOGY, Finnish Information Processing Association TIVIA and the Finnish Software and E-business Association) though they are not free. They tend to get updated every 4-5 years.

The attachments (essentially similar to the terms in Common Paper) are readable in English at https://it-ehdot.fi/tutustu-ehtoihin/ ("ENGLANNIKSI" tab), but the agreement template (similar to the cover letter) requires buying them.


Oh wow, I have been researching standard contracts for years and I keep finding out about new ones. I'm going to read up on these Finnish standards, thanks so much for sharing.


We do hope to support more countries in the future. Right now the committee of attorneys that make are agreements are largely based in the US, and the agreements are made with US law in mind.

I expect that the agreements will just work for some countries, require minor changes for others, and in some cases need to be basically rewritten from scratch.

If you do take the agreements to a local attorney and find out what does and doesn't work in your country, we'd be really grateful if you shared that feedback. We've had a few people do that already, and it's helped in our plans for expanding into natively supporting other countries.


We use Common Paper for a bunch of our Cloud Service Agreements over at Trigo. Really saved us a ton in time and legal fees! Keep up the great work Jake & Ben!


Thank you!


Why the ceremony around signing with on-screen mouse movements, if the resulting digital signature could be copy-pasted into any other draft?


I have mixed feelings about this. We embed Dropbox Sign to handle the signature step, so that part of the experience is straight from them.

They handle the steps of making sure it's a compliant, legally valid signature, which is great.

However, a lot of the ceremony as you called it is not required to make it a legally binding signature, it's mostly to make people feel like it's legit.

We may take this in-house at some point to streamline it, but Dropbox has been a good partner to us, and I'm grateful that they enabled us to get up and running quickly.


Great work! Please also do this for brick and mortar businesses. Eg supply agreements for physical products.


Thank you! And we do plan to expand into other industries in the future.


What would you say to someone who is wondering if this is an attempt at a technical solution to a social problem?


CTO and Co-founder here.

While we certainly are using technology to help solve the problem, it's more about creating contracts in a way that helps you focus on the key changes from contract to contract. When you build on immutable terms, and the only changes are in the contract's cover sheet, you can focus on the changes and not hunt down for words inside of an inscrutable PDF.


Are your founders lawyers, by chance? It seems like you understand the customer pain, but it's possible that creating a fix for this pain requires an intimate knowledge of how the legal community will react. As GP stated, this could be a social problem, and in that case it is one that is caused/perpetuated by lawyers. Or it could just be a matter of incentive misalignment.

Having deep insights into the mindset and financial incentives of lawyers would seem to be key here (but if you're funded by YC, presumably you've already been asked this question and come up with a good answer!).


My cofounder and I are not lawyers, but we have a great lawyer on our founding team and are advised by many more. https://commonpaper.com/committee/


Nice, definitely a decent gap in the market for this. Site's slow as heck but the product's solid. Gl!!


We were not ready for the huge amount of traffic from HN, but we've got everything sorted out now :) Thanks!


Big fans of Jake and the team at Common Paper - we're happy users at Meltano. Congrats on the launch!


Thank you Taylor!


My lawyers charged me $7k for a trial contract after I gave them the verbiage.

This is a badly needed solution.


I am just starting my small SaaS business and absolutely needed something like this. Favorite'ing this post and will return to it soon.

Good luck, great idea! From a technical perspective, I especially appreciate the notion that much of the wording can be standardized, with key variables identified and extracted as structured data.


That's great to hear. Please let us know if we can help once you get started


Congrats on the launch! Your site is loading now, albeit a bit slowly :)


Thanks, we're working on it :)


Congrats Jake, Ben, and the whole crew. Another great Philly jawn.


But also we are fully remote!


How would this work for my 18th century agrarian business?


It's all the same principles


Why monthly pricing for what is a 1 time agreement


We charge based on the number of customers with whom you have at least one active contract. Many of our users find that they will sign multiple agreements with the same customer, eg an NDA, CSA, DPA, and then another CSA to upsell or renew at the end of the term.

Our goal for our product is to help with the entire lifecycle of the customer. From entering into the initial agreement, to getting paid, to keeping track of your obligations across customers, to upselling and renewing, to answering diligence questions when you're raising money or getting acquired.


Congrats! This is awesome!!


Thank you!


Love what you’re building here. How are you guys thinking about potentially integrating LLMs?


Co-founder here:

How would you integrate an LLM into this?


A couple use cases were already listed in other comments:

1) Document search 2) Translating plain english <> Legalease

But seems like the highest leverage here is building a copilot for authoring new contract templates that Common Paper doesn't offer yet (maybe the legal advisory panel could assist with RLHF training).


Really sad to see https://sso.tax/ being employed here. Please let your customers use your software securely.


This is just asking for a long off-topic thread but as one of HN's resident SSO nerds: you don't have to listen to people demanding that you eliminate the "SSO tax". Paying for SSO is super annoying, and I'd rather not pay it either, but I'd even less rather see companies go out of business because they're not generating revenue. This "tax" is popular because it's one of the more effective customer segmentation levers that exists.

Since this is (apparently) one of a zillion companies to do this, I think we should probably just treat this as off-topic and make our great stand on Rob's sso.tax page somewhere else.


Any other segmentation levers?


Custom negotiated contracts (including NDAs), custom billing terms (although this is harder to segment on), advanced team management features that allow separate parts of an organization to use your tool (think sub-team management w/ individual admins and configurable visibility between teams).




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