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> Opt out is reasonable

I strongly disagree with this and think much less of companies who do it that way. That said, that battle is already lost anyway.




Opt in is the same as not doing it at all. TFA explains their approach decently well and it seems sane to me.

It's not like this is telemetry in some open source thing for nefarious reasons. It's literally for their customers. They already know who you are, it's not like they're using this for targeted ads.


> it's not like they're using this for targeted ads.

Prove it. Right, you can't, because once telemetry runs you have no insight or control over what happens with the data. And trust is definitely not an option anymore after all that happened over the years.


> Opt in is the same as not doing it at all.

That is more of a statement about the detestability of telemetry as a concept than anything else.


No, it's about defaults in behavioral economics. The vast majority of people won't change the default settings on their devices.

https://www.centenecenter.wustl.edu/by-the-power-of-default-...


That's beside the point. If you don't have consent you don't have consent.


Not really if you're trying to influence some sort of change. Consent is implied in the usage of the product. If someone doesn't like it, they're free not to use it.


"Implied consent" isn't consent at all, and bluntly the idea that it is is creepy and gross as fuck. That's why, for example, GDPR forbids services from limiting or withholding service based on cookie acceptance.

Willful, informed, enthusiastic consent is what we're after.


> Consent is implied in the usage of the product.

No, it's not. "Consent" requires being informed first.


> Consent is implied in the usage of the product.

No it isn't implied.


> It's literally for their customers.

This is said by every company that does telemetry.




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