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"the difficult conversation we need to be having would be about proteins and how to produce them sustainabily and ethically. This plant based vegan alternatives hide from the real problem, I think"

Huh? I thought the real problem are the vast ressources milk production needs and the cruel need to seperate the cow babies from their mothers so they produce more milk. And not even speaking about the meat production facalities.

Oatmilk on the other hand grows fast and does not require misstreating babies, so what is the real problem?

(apart from the fact, that many people, including me, also like milk and meat, despite alternatives?)




Meat and dairy are clearly not "vast" resource hogs in any way that currently matters, because they're cheap.

And while I personally share the belief that it's inherently cruel and should be changed, it's been obvious to me for most of my life that most people don't share those values and are not motivated by that.

But that's also a category error for the comment you're replying to, which is "is it healthy?" when you're answering "is it ethical?"


" But that's also a category error for the comment you're replying to, which is "is it healthy?" when you're answering "is it ethical?" "

I agree that those are two different categories, but the quote I used was about both:

"how to produce them sustainabily and ethically"


Mea culpa, I missed that :)




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