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All very good points

My message was less a general response

Vs a note to any struggling HNs that 12-step shouldn't be dismissed out of hand

My upbringing, education, peers, research into the data generally would have had me write off AA

Glad I didn't and gave it a try (after trying many other things)




Congrats on making it 10 years.

The concern I have with making it overly analytical like the HN crowd tends to do, we ignore a good chunk of psychological impact that purely data-driven statements can have. Instead of framing the discussion of "this doesn't work, we need to do something else" the conversation really should be "this works for some people but we can do better - we need to invest in it and figure it out."

That simple flip is easy and acknowledges that people have had success with this and people will continue to do so. It also sends the message that there's no reason to skip this entirely if you are looking for help.




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