Agreed. Reading and writing Java code just really annoys me. It's so ugly, in my...

dboreham · on March 17, 2023

Just for balance: after writing much Java years ago, then moving on to mostly JS/TS, Scala and Kotlin, going back and looking at old Java I forget writing, it looks very nice and easy to understand.

dahfizz · on March 17, 2023

>> It's so ugly

> nice and easy to understand

Java is definitely more practical than pretty. This frustrates the trendy crowd, but I think its important for tools to be practical. Shiny, pretty languages are never as long-lived as practical "ugly" languages.

5e92cb50239222b · on March 17, 2023

If it scares away the "let's rewrite it in language/framework of the day" crowd, that's a plus in my book.

seanw444 · on March 18, 2023

I'm certainly not a member of the "trendy crowd." I say Java is ugly as a fan of Lisp and C. There's just so much boilerplate to implement something basic.