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You misunderstand—it’s not a mystery that scale attracts regulation. The mystery is in why people think that OS engineers should have no freedom to make design choices. Where, even, is the disrespect in being a mere option amongst many? It’s not like Apple is forcing people to buy into their ecosystem.

And to your point about comms infrastructure—how does interoperability across messaging apps even look like, and does the idea even make sense? It’s not specified within the article.




> The mystery is in why people think that OS engineers should have no freedom to make design choices.

Are you employed or vested in this industry? This rhetoric is disingenuous and can be seen as bad faith argumentation. We are, rather explicitly, not talking about mere design decisions. We’re actually discussing the functionality of one of the largest messaging providers in the world with one the largest valuations in the world. You should keep the facts of the topic in mind and not detour into baseless hypotheticals that are antithetical to TFA.

> Where, even, is the disrespect in being a mere option amongst many?

We’re not talking about a guy in his garage. When a company, as large as apple, provides a service they enter a social contract to provide a reasonable quality of service for all users. Apple is willfully and repeatedly violating this contract. Hence, they are being held to account by the governments comprised of their users and enacting the will of said governments constituents.

>It’s not like Apple is forcing people to buy into their ecosystem.

By deliberately differentiating between customers and non customers in the quality of service experienced by their customers and those non customers their customers communicate with they are exerting market force. TFA is about the EU responding to this force with force.

> how does interoperability across messaging apps even look like, and does the idea even make sense?

This is likely the purview of an organization like ISO. If this is such an alien idea to you, perhaps you should expound on your perspective because at first blush it seems to me that you don’t understand the history of how modern communications were developed and implemented.


No, we're not talking about messaging apps in my comment tree. We're explicitly (without your dishonest "rather") talking about the design of OSes in consumer-facing hardware, and whether or not a messaging app comes with that is moot. Discussing hypothetical OSes matters, and always when it comes to regulation, because you don't want to recklessly regulate new entrants out of the market. Or do you just hate critical thinking?

Feel free to provide better data, but Apple's platforms do not even have majority market share in the EU---not enough to backup anything that you said of entering an unspoken social contract when a company reaches a certain undefined scale: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/europe/

You should know that the Messages app works with SMS so you have to specify where the difference in quality of service is when an Android device can't receive an iMessage.

And to the point of interoperability--iMessages has APIs for businesses: https://register.apple.com/messages

And they even allow businesses to build a webhook that Apple invokes when businesses receive a message from a user: https://register.apple.com/resources/messages/msp-rest-api/m...

So, again, what exactly is the interoperability issue? Is it that iMessage chats can't be read from Telegram, and that WhatsApp chats can't be sent to a user's Signal account? Or you just can't think of a specific use case because underneath all that snark, you really know nothing about how software is made?




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