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And this time the better format won right? Unlike Betamax which I hadn’t realised was actually invented 2 years before VHS and it’s fizzle-out was basically because of Sony patents.



Kinda... The story (of Betamax) is a bit more complicated than that, the main reason of why it failed is that Sony did not understand the market where it was selling.

Also, the thing about Betamax having superior quality is a bit overblown, while Betamax at speed 1 (or A, I don't remember what it was called) DID have better quality, nobody used it! (and Sony discontinued quite quickly, favouring speed 2 and 3) since the recording time was so low.

(also the professional Betamax format is a completely different beast from the consumer one, at some point it switched to being digital)


Sony have always made strange decisions surrounding storage. Not selling Minidisc as a floppy drive successor, when the competition was gigantic ZIP discs, was a biggie. (I am aware of the NetMD etc, I had one)


They did. MD Data was a thing. It just flopped super hard. It was way too expensive over Zip disc for a minor storage increase and size decrease.

LGR did an Oddware video about it a few years back: https://youtu.be/CzwtCBj5jEs


TIL, thank you!


The YouTube channel Technology Connections has a few good videos talking about how and why Betamax failed.

Why Sony's Beta Videotape System Failed--and failed hard (Part 1) - https://youtu.be/FyKRubB5N60

Why Sony's Beta Videotape System Failed--Part 2 - https://youtu.be/v019trxfcmg

The VHS cassette was more clever than Beta - https://youtu.be/hWl9Wux7iVY


Betamax was behind VHS in a critical metric: Original Betamax tapes could only fit an hour of recorded TV, whereas the original VHS tapes could do two hours. This mean that a single VHS tape could fit a whole TV movie, for example, or a whole sports game, whereas Betamax could not. Recording off TV was a major use case for home videotapes in the era before the movie rental market existed, to the point Sony and Universal fought all the way to the Supreme Court to decide the legality of time-shifting, so VHS having double the capacity with identical or nearly-identical picture quality pretty well decided the market.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Unive...

https://medium.com/swlh/vhs-vs-beta-the-story-of-the-origina...


VHS was significantly cheeper which also helped.


> And this time the better format won right?

Can't say Blu-Ray won with a resounding success neither… possibly because of Sony patents.

DVDs were still heavily used as compared to Blu-Ray, because people buying Blue-Rays were mostly people who had a PlayStation that could read them.

And a few years later, streaming services probably pushed the idea of buying a movie on a physical media a bit out of the window anyway.


I don't know about that last bit, go to Walmart and they have most everything new and current on Blu-Ray. Plus the less-compressed video beats the pants off of streaming.


Tons and tons of Movies and TV shows are streaming-only releases nowadays.

Also, a bunch of old movies get restored in HD and released on streaming services only. First example that comes to mind is the classic 1993 comedy Look Who's Talking Now.

Adding insult to injury, a bunch of old movies get remastered physical releases... on DVD only. That's right. SD content encoded with a 30 year old codec.

So if I want to watch a movie from my childhood in HD, more often than not my only legal course of action is to subscribe to a streaming service.

Very sad, really.


In terms of things that appear in theaters. I don't expect to see Netflix exclusives on the aisles.

And the market for discs isn't what it used to be. The long tail seems nonexistent now, it's a shame old remasters aren't coming through it any more. The last one I bought was the Star Trek TNG remaster, which was on blu-ray (and looked fantastic)


Used to work for a regional netflix knock-off DVD mailing house.

Blurays were more hardy and required less scratch fix buffing. I think they had an extra layer on it.

Were there any other differences between the two?


> Were there any other differences between the two?

Bluray menus are Java, and HD-DVDs' are JavaScript/XML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Content

HD-DVD uses Microsoft's WMV3/VC-1. Bluray (non-UHD) supports both AVC (h.264) and VC-1, but AVC is more common https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_H.264_and_VC-1


HD-DVD supported H.264 and VC-1 (and MPEG2). Initially there were plenty of VC-1 and MPEG2 releases on Blu-ray as well. HD-DVD simply died before the universal shift to H.264. There was however a difference in max. bitrate (~40 Mbit/s for Blu-ray, ~30 Mbit/s for HD-DVD)

The differences between the two standard were more interesting when it came to sound formats. HD-DVD had mandatory support for Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD (allowing the audio on a disc to use these without a fallback). Blu-ray on the other hand supported a higher max. bitrate for DTS-HD Master Audio.





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