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On if you treat it as ok for the board not to be up to date on the call.



That just goes back to my original point. If the tickets are up to date on the call, there's no reason to have a daily standup. If someone isn't keeping their tickets up to date, you don't need to hold an entire team hostage in a meeting just to remind them.


And my point there is that sometimes it turns out that knowing it will be discussed at a call is the most effective way of getting people to actually do things.

It depends very much on how disciplined your team members are. It turns out - from experience - that a whole lot of "sorry, I'm too busy now, will do it shortly" disappears when there's a clear, known deadline and you need to give an update in front of a group.

You can surely find other ways. You can chew out people who don't heed the reminders, or bring it up in performance reviews, and do all kinds of things. Or you can just have people take five minutes, and at the same time occasionally it tends to throw up other things that are useful too. Which approach will work best depends very much on the team. W

The point is that the reasons for ceremony is often not the ceremony itself, but how it alters behaviour.

At the same time, of course there are also managers who engage in cargo cult management, for whom the point of the ceremony is the ceremony, so I'm not saying there aren't plenty of pointless standups being carried out.




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