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Almost everything out of the initiative system (arguably, the design of the system); high state spending for mediocre outcomes; "big" (state) government in general. NIMBY housing policy in every major metro. Unsustainable water use for water intensive crops in a state that is mostly desert.


"high state spending for mediocre outcomes"

"NIMBY housing policy in every major metro"

Prove it and show me it's not an issue in other states

"Unsustainable water use for water intensive crops in a state that is mostly desert. "

According to ABC https://abcnews.go.com/US/map-ongoing-water-crises-happening...

This is a major issue in other states. In fact Jackson Mississippi ran out of water last year yet this hasn't happened in CA "


> This is a major issue in other states. In fact Jackson Mississippi ran out of water last year yet this hasn't happened in CA "

California gets preferential use of the Colorado river. https://calmatters.org/environment/2022/08/colorado-river-wa...


> California gets preferential use of the Colorado river

So, it has relative (compared to upstream users, of which Mississippi is not one) security for about 11% of its annual water supply, due to having established need and uses earlier.

Not sure what your point is, though.


See my reply to themitigating below.


So you're moving the goal post from "water issues " to "unfair control of water sources"?

I assume you'll have an argument about why their preferential control of the Colorado river is wrong?

It must be difficult for you right now after you've continually digested right wing opinion that "California is bad" not asking if there was substance behind that premise.


I'm not the OP. I actually like the initiative system.

I'm saying that water issues in other states is a result of California's preferential rights. Which explains why "this hasn't happened in CA". If you fully read the article I linked you'd see that water restrictions have indeed happened at various times over the years in California.

Part of the reason California hasn't "run out of water" like Jackson Mississippi are these water use restrictions imposed during droughts: https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/05/24/california-adopts-more-agg...

And I'll point out that the person you originally responded to wrote "Unsustainable water use for water intensive crops in a state that is mostly desert". You goal-post moved this true statement (plus or minus the "mostly desert") to a comparison to other states which also have water problems, one of which had a city actually run out of water.


> I'm saying that water issues in other states is a result of California's preferential rights.

There is a reason the word “senior” is used for those rights; those were part of the established landscape when the upstream states use developed.


Yes, sure. I don't see how that detracts from the point I made, or the original poster in this thread made.

A pound of carbon dioxide is the same problem wherever it is emitted. Likewise a gallon of water from the Colorado is the same problem wherever it is taken out. The Colorado water supply problems are equally the responsibility (and fault) of California as they are the other states and Mexico which pull water from it. Legalese doesn't change this.

California's water use has recently been unsustainable. Much of this water is used to irrigate formerly arid lands which have historically been used for high water needs agriculture. This is true.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_California_Proposition_...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_California_Proposition_...

Someone should compile a listicle of the "10 worst California propositions" or something like that


Fun fact: To be Prop 65 compliant, you just need the ubiquitous warning label, and there's no penalty for over warning, so just stick on everything and you're done.

Speaking of which...

Prop 65 Warning: This post contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm.


Are they worse or more numerous than other states?


The cancer warning label thing is one. It's basically slapped on just about everything now so everybody either ignores it or blindly follows it and in both cases the law is not helping the consumer. It has also driven up the cost of producing goods which is passed on to the consumer because companies either avoid the cert and apply the label or go through the time and effort of getting the cert.


From what I've read about Prop 65, it resulted in an actual reduction of toxic substances in products. The silly label was an unintended consequence, but is the only one that anybody has ever heard of.


There’s no de jure recognized certification that I’m aware of; if you’ve seen one, I’d love to learn about it!



Was Florida ready to be flooded last year? What infrastructure changes does the bay area need to do that are feasible?


Shitty housing/zoning policy causing absolutely insane housing prices.


"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34254677.


Too damn many elected offices and direct initiatives on the ballot.


Are there more elected officials than other states, same with ballots?


Water


Seems to be an issue elsewhere, remember Jackson?

https://abcnews.go.com/US/map-ongoing-water-crises-happening...


Jackson has water. Flint has water. They simply lack trustworthy infrastructure. This can be fixed by upgrading.

California has infrastructure. They simply lack water. This cannot be fixed by upgrading.


> California has infrastructure. They simply lack water. This cannot be fixed by upgrading.

Yes, it can. Look at a map of California. Look west. Plenty of opportunity to use infrastructure spending to increase fresh water supply through desalination. (Which, in fact, California is doing.)


Proof?


prop 13


Ideology divide between the coasts and bulk of the state, water management, mishandling inner city social issues like crime and homelessness, a sense of smug superiority, restricting residential development while leaving commercial development unchecked, ridiculous cost of living and lack of housing for low paid service workers…


Ideology divide between the coasts and bulk of the state,

I'm assuming by bulk you mean land not population size. This is also present in many states and I don't see how it's a problem.

"Smug superiority" who? Is it based on some survey? Seems subjective.

"restricting residential development while leaving commercial development unchecked"

Is this unqiue to California? Is commercial real estate development unchecked, provide a source

The cost of living isn't high everywhere in the state.




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