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I would quibble with whether this is exactly equivalent.

In programming I knew I needed to sort a list or find a most efficient path because some practical problem I was trying to solve demanded that I do that. Frequently I had a basically crap but working independent solution before I learned the names "EWD" or "A*". I independently discovered that I needed virtual interfaces (before I knew them by that name, "I wish pointers to parent classes could call implementations in subclasses") and then discovered language facilities for polymorphism and OOP.

Without formal or at least guided instruction I would never think to move towards or discover "I wonder if there's a relationship that makes these double integrals of curls of vector fields easier to solve for".

Programming has a high coupling between necessity, experience, and theory. In mathematics that coupling is much, much, much looser. Self learners in programming regularly re-discover and re-implement, typically less efficiently, all sorts of fundamentals of CS. The equivalent in mathematics rarely happens post-algebra.




I think your comparison is a bit unfair. Essentially, CS is as hard as mathematics because it is mathematics.

For example, take any good static analyzer that implements abstract interpretation. It generally works using Galois connections, which is just abstract algebra.

Dijkstra's algorithm or A* came pretty early in the history of CS. It would be fair to compare their difficulty to something similar in mathematics, say some basic results in Euclidean geometry.


CS may be mathematics but programming certainly isn't

If you're discussing pure CS, the thing you can write down in a book and for which a computer is a largely theoretical device, sure CS is mathematics.

If we're talking about the practical reality that CS majors in America today are trying to achieve, and their undergraduate programs are trying to prepare them for, that's becoming a working programmer and has very little relation to mathematics.


I wish we'd just start issuing software engineering degrees so it would be easier to get an actual computer science education.


A* is already intermediate level programming. CS is math because it's what we call the parts of programming that are math.

But so much of programming isn't. It doesn't require deep understanding, static analysers are advanced level things that are way beyond what many working programmers ever encounter.

I can't say I've ever seen "Real math" myself.




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