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> I imagine most of the Java horror stories people recall come from the days where there were no good Java libraries and everyone was reinventing the wheel.

My memory of java is from about 2007 and I had a pretty negative memory of it. I recently joined a company that primarily does java development and it's amazing what 15 years of progress can do. It's night and day. Using IntelliJ instead of eclipse alone is a big jump.

The thing is, as a C#/.NET dev, those tools weren't that great 15 years ago, either. But I'd been keeping up with the progress in that ecosystem, using it day to day, so it's easy to forget.




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