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[sam36]

Perhaps I am just dumb... but I'm not following anything you are saying. If Christ had to die to be a sacrifice, how is someone turning him in make it a "plot hole"?? Who else would it occur, just by chance?

[ben_w → sam36]

The problem isn't that Judas turned him in, it's that this is somehow a bad thing.

[whimsicalism → ben_w]

By your logic, the predator in To Catch A Predator is not doing a bad thing.

[ben_w → whimsicalism]

I see zero in common at every level, unless you wish to count the name "Chris".

[aerostable_slug → ben_w]

The fulfillment of the process wasn't bad, but Judas was. It's not like he was in on the whole plan.

[ben_w → aerostable_slug]

Except the bit I quoted kinda implies he was told to do it by Jesus (or both Jesus and Satan):

> After he received the piece of bread, Satan entered into him. Jesus said to him, “Do quickly what you are going to do.”

[boomboomsubban → ben_w]

From my recollection of Catholic school, Judas was tempted into being the betrayer, but his legacy as the betrayer is due to his abandoning his faith in Jesus and refusing to confess his sins. Both Judas and Peter are supposed to have betrayed Jesus on Good Friday, but Peter repented while Judas let his guilt drive him to suicide.

The message is supposed to be the devil tempts us all, and failure is inevitable, but God/Jesus forgives all.