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I'm wondering why the USA hasn't used its military muscle to force regime change in Saudi Arabia. They have valuable resources, and I don't think any major country would stand in the USA's way.

The people already live under a brutal repressive dictatorship. Why not replace it with something more tolerable?

My best guess is that doing so would dramatically increase terrorism in the region.

Venezuela would be another area in need of intervention, IMO.

Update: I'm as anti-war as it gets, but consider: when is there a moral imperative to act? If you could stop the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, should you? If you can stop your neighbor from going on a murdering spree, should you?




Why would the US destroy one of its two major allies in the area and the very source of petrodollars?

The US does regime change only against countries that resist exploitation. The rhetoric about human rights or dictatorship is just that.


If we install a puppet regime there, they are still an ally by definition.


That was the plan for Iraq. It turns out nation building is a lot harder than killing the bad guys.


Maybe, it wouldn’t be guaranteed to be functional.

And why invest any effort and the considerable risk to change the situation? The US ruling class already has the best ally they could wish for.


Are you a soldier? Are you going to be the one invaded? "intervention" is even such a bloodless euphemism for sending men with guns, bombs, drone strikes, murder, rape, looting to another place. You should be ashamed of yourself for saying something like this so glibly like it was a change to some programming technology or something


You’ve apparently never heard the phrase “You break it, you bought it” as it applies to international affairs.

Say we do invade Saudi Arabia, and/or Venezuela, as you suggest. Please share the highlights of your post-war governance plan. Do we send a bunch of our people in there to rule the country? Do they become our de-facto territories? What do we do about the all-but-certain never-ending resistance campaigns from people who legitimately want self-determination? What if we give them that self-determination, and they decide to vote in someone even worse than who’s currently in power?

Your comment shows an almost complete lack of understanding of even the last 20 years of geo-political conflict. The fact that you tacked on “I’m as anti-war as it gets” at the end can only be interpreted as a troll move.


The people of Saudi and Venezuela already don't have self-determination! They are ruled by brutal dictatorship today.

As far as post-war governance, I suggest the Marshall plan. Japan and Germany are models for how to occupy a country with great results.

I feel like because the USA has made mistakes, people jump to a defeatist attitude and take the position that literally anything we do is a mistake by definition.


>As far as post-war governance, I suggest the Marshall plan. Japan and Germany are models for how to occupy a country with great results.

They tried something like that in Afghanistan, and it was a complete disaster. ~1945 Japan and Germany were completely different countries from Saudi Arabia or any other country you're proposing an invasion of; attempting to set up a friendly government in those places is likely to be about as successful as Afghanistan was.


> I feel like because the USA has made mistakes,...

The Iraq War was not a "mistake", as you suggest. The Bush administration launched a war that killed between 200,000 and 1 million-plus people (depending on whether you strictly count bodies, which tends to under-count the reality, or you extrapolate from random samples of the population). This war was based on the claim that Saddam Hussein tried to buy uranium yellowcake from Niger, and this claim was based on a set of documents that were proven to be forgeries: "Mohamed ElBaradei, then head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, told the UN Security Council that his staff and independent experts concluded within hours that the documents were forged. They were printed, after all, on obsolete Iraqi and Niger letterheads citing officials who were no longer in power at agencies that had been disbanded. One letter, dated October 10, 2000, was reportedly signed with the name of Allele Habibou, a Niger Minister of Foreign Affairs and Cooperation, who left office in 1989." [1].

This wasn't a "mistake". This was either incompetence past the level of recklessness, or malice.

The most charitable explanation I've heard for why the US launched the 2003 Iraq War was that the Bush administration knew that steamrolling a weak adversary like the Taliban in Afghanistan wasn't a sufficient show-of-force to deter a well-equipped adversary from attempting another 9/11, and they needed to demonstrate the ability and willingness to attack a more powerful adversary (such as Iraq) to produce such deterrence. The least charitable explanation is the one we're all familiar with- that Bush, Cheney and Co. wanted to install a regime who would provide a steady stream of oil at friendly prices. The reality is probably a mix of both, as well as other explanations that we'll never be privy to.

Any way you slice it, the U.S. has proven itself incapable of delivering on its promises of regime change and nation-building since since at least the Vietnam War, yet keeps telling itself that "this time we'll get it right". The end result is that, trough our callous disregard for human life and the autonomy of others, we end up creating multiple terrorists for each one we kill.

> ...people jump to a defeatist attitude and take the position that literally anything we do is a mistake by definition.

This is a straw man argument; no serious person is taking the position that "literally anything we do is a mistake by definition". That said, if you're serious about winning people over, a good place to start might be the folks who were responsible for our "mistakes" giving even the faintest hint that, yes, we acknowledge those things we did were wrong. If we really want to go crazy, we could even (gasp!) commit to not repeating those "mistakes" again. But certain people in this country seem to believe that never admitting to a wrongdoing is the same as never having done wrong at all. Therefore the default posture seems to be "Often wrong, never in doubt". That's a recipe for flushing our reputation on the world stage down the toilet.

EDIT:

Lastly, just because the Marshall Plan was effective in Western Europe, doesn't mean it would be effective in Saudi Arabia or Venezuela. Please don't make the mistake of thinking all cultures respond to incentives in the same way. That's just wrong.

1. https://spyscape.com/article/saddam-husseins-fake-uranium


Why would the USA care? They get everything they want from Saudi, with some bad press as the only downside.

You don't actually think regime change is ever about how repressive the government is.


Why should they? The U.S. has left every country of recent military intervention in a much worst state than before they came in.

It’s honestly scary to see someone suggesting this, even if I’m no fan of Saudi Arabia.


I'd give you (several) history books and ask you to consider when US or Western political/military action in the middle east has actually improved the lives of people living there.

In case you haven't got the time to read up on history, consider the fact that each of the following states has 'benifited' greatly from western interference in the recent past: Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran (and lets not forget Palestine!).




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