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They probably don't love the process, they just use it as an excuse to slack off and they're probably quiet quitting.

Most of the industry is like this, so most small companies don't have a chance at being able to afford productive people.

My personal solution to this problem is relying on expensive agencies in cheap countries. I consult with mid-large companies and they all have the same problems: unmotivated developers who don't own the product, product managers that spend all their time in meetings and parrots what PM at Google say. Nothing gets done so what I do is advise the CTO to start moving projects to outside agencies, to teams that are actually productive.

I don't think non-tech focused companies can build product efficiently but they're excellent places for slacking developers to work in. I worked in agencies as a youngster and it was 10x more challenging than working in a product company. There was also way less bullshit and I could make decisions without having to organise a company wide meeting on how we do X.

Startups are a special case: when people are paid in equity they tend to care more about the company and things can work.

I have a bias: I'm planning to start an agency at some point in the next 5 years (albeit I'm a throwaway so you can't reach me)




This hit home to me. The part about parrot PMs is also an issue here that's been hard to deal with.




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