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In my mind, the Ukrainians are the only party who could blow the pipelines without being dirty. It's a strategic asset of a country they're in an active war with.



Yeah, but Ukraine requires a working relationships with the west and europe to sustain it's war. Whilst Ukraine is going to benefit from this, this sort of damage is too great for them to engage with as a primary actor.

Imagine if they did take credit for this, Russia could respond with nukes or chemical weapons. It could also bite them that deep in the cold of winter, when everyone is wearing coats in doors for months, that the Germans start to resent sending military equipment to Ukraine.

This act will put pressure on Ukraine. Also not super great for the environment. as well. Another often overlooked victim.


And it's a great way to make the rest of Europe never give in to Russian no matter how much they suffer. If enough people in Europe saw their grandmother shivering in January, they might rise up and say hell with it, we need our gas back no matter what the cost somewhere else in eastern Europe. But now they can't say that because it won't get the gas turned back on anyway.


> we need our gas back

What makes it their gas?


Their ability to buy gas that is usually available to them.

People voted and lived in a society where things were handled. You voted and kept your government because things were handled. You voted the way you did because you were satisfied you could keep yourself warm in the winter at a fair price. Eventually, you consider that right yours, since it was described as something you have access to.

Then suddenly someone you voted for decides, "hey, I know my party ran on getting that pipeline approved, and we invested in green energy as a certain ratio based on getting this gas to you when you need it, but guess what.... We've changed our mind. There are outside things more important than your ability to heat your home for a price you can afford."

I'd consider that the politician turning off my access to affordable life sustaining gas.


You feel entitled to it at a certain price but it isn’t yours. Voting for it to be available to be yours doesn’t make it yours.

Just pointing out that it isn’t like you’re talking about your country’s national reserves that are being sold elsewhere instead of to you.

I don’t mean to sound disparaging but a good set of winter clothes will ensure survival through the winter better than whatever gas/price ratio you feel entitled to.


They did not blow the other pipelines passing through Ukraine, so why would they blow up NS? To deny themselves military aid from Germany? It doesn't make sense.


At 70m it could also be a private citizen


A private citizen who simultaneously possesses the requisite skills, resources, opportunity, and inclination. Not impossible, but very unlikely.


That's the wild thing about this. It would take very minimal resources to pull off this kind of action.




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