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Show HN: Use Dojo to learn, build, and deploy web apps (dojoapp.com)
119 points by jmtame on Nov 28, 2011 | hide | past | favorite | 29 comments



The headline talked about using Dojo but the tutorial is 100% Sinatra and ROR. Is Dojo used in other tutorials or is the word Dojo just used because it is in the URL. The layout make it appear as if it is associated with the Dojo toolkit. I understand that Sinatra and ROR can be used with Dojo, but I feel the title and branding is misleading based on the fact that the tutorial contained no Dojo in it.


I don't know why I was downvoted the title says Use Dojo to learn, build, and deploy web apps. Some assume Dojo to be the Dojo Toolkit which can be used with Sinatra and ROR. Given that I am not a ROR developer I was confused as to why there was no Dojo involved.


I'm not even a web developer, I just read HN a lot, and even I thought it was strange.


A coding dojo is a way to improve your skills and has nothing to do with any particular language or framework - see http://codingdojo.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WhatIsCodingDojo.


People (like me, too) are going to assume Dojo the framework over dojo-the-special-kind-of-room when there is no article (a/an/the) used.

Capitalization makes a difference in the English language.


Thank you, I have not hear the term used for that, most of the developers I associate with associate Dojo with the toolkit. Thank you for the info, and I apologize for the misunderstanding.


I had the same confusion - I thought it was talking about http://dojotoolkit.org/


Sorry about the confusion, it's totally unrelated to Dojo Toolkit


No need to apologize, I just assumed from past references that it was in reference to the toolkit. Give the definition that was provided below, it makes sense, you may want to consider differentiating the logo and the header of the site a little so that you do distinguish yourself from the toolkit or you may deal with similar assumptions in the future.


I would recommend using The Dojo or The DojoApp. The DojoApp is probably better as The Dojo is still not only competing with the toolkit but also with hundreds of karate sites.


While I understand that this isn't about the Dojo toolkit nor the fellow who submitted the post to it here (Thanks!), I can't help but feel that the folks who created this service made a real blunder by naming this thing "dojoapp" simply because of it's uncanny naming resemblance to the Dojo toolkit.

Try to Google it; you get drowned in results to the toolkit, not their site. Mention it to anyone else and be sure about the resulting confusion. It's like creating a new service called BMWApp which then has nothing to do with the car...


The intro tutorial is great! Just the right mix of brevity/content, and totally convinced me to sign up.

Only suggestion - find a way to speed up the deployment process. It might just be the HN effect, but once I finish my first "app" - I want to see it in action, not stare at a spinner for a few minutes.

EDIT: Looks like you're deploying to heroku, so I see why it takes more than a few seconds. It might be nice to tweak your UI, to encourage people to go through a tutorial while they wait for a deploy (rather than staring at a spinner).


Yep, the wait time is mostly from Heroku. Allowing people to continue the tutorial while it deploys is a good idea, reminds me of the article about Asynchronous UI a few days ago.


It was exciting. Yup, I sound like a complete dork, but for someone who just doesn't have the ability to pick up coding like he used to, this was great. A few explanations in the tutorial confused me from a complete novice standpoint, but I am really looking forward to the "Blog in 30 minutes"! Glad I signed up, and if I'm your target "customer" then feel free to email me if you want feedback, etc. I'd like to see something exactly like this for Objective C and developing iPhone apps.


we'd love to get your feedback. i wasn't able to find your email, could you hit us up at founders[at]dojoapp.com?


I enjoyed going through those tutorials, and I think I know more about Ruby now! What's the time scale on further tutorials? The platform (including the ability to deploy apps quickly and easily) is great! I'd be particularly interested in the node.js tutorials that are tantalisingly listed on your site.


I really like this. It'd be great to see some Python tutorials though.


This is a great way to teach programmers a new framework or tool.


twitter bootstrap for the design win?


I LOVE IT!


Dojo has already lost the battle.

I used it for awhile and it is a cool framework. However, Jquery has it beat in terms of documentation (code and usage) and community support (I can find pretty much any component I need with Jquery).


You should take another look at the link - its all about ROR and Sinatra, not Dojo Toolkit.


How does this invalidate my point?

The link title includes "Dojo" and I was stating my opinion. I see the Dojo fanbois have downvoted me.


The people who realize that this isn't Dojo, the JS framework, and is instead Dojo, the Ruby Deployment Tool... they're the ones who downvoted you.


well, it's not my fault.

It's the fault of the person that named a ruby development tool "Dojo" when it's clear there was already a javascript framework with the same name.

so..maybe they should be downvoting themselves? (like I have your responses)


An equally compelling argument could be made that it is the fault of whomever didn't bother to read the article.


I think that's the shittiest argument I've ever seen.

You didn't even open the link before just leaving a negative comment about it.

It takes a lot of work to write web apps, and when people say negative things about them, it hurts.


I would bet that you would have gotten a much different response if your comment indicated that you read the article at all, rather than constructing a post based entirely on your interpretation of the OP's (lame) title.


he doesn't mean Dojo as a framework




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