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Athletics at the 1904 Summer Olympics: Men's Marathon (wikipedia.org)
137 points by tosh on Aug 31, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 47 comments



> While Fred Lorz was greeted as the apparent winner, he was later disqualified as he had hitched a ride in a car for part of the race.

and

> The actual winner, Thomas Hicks, was near collapse and hallucinating by the end of the race, a side effect of being administered brandy, raw eggs, and strychnine by his trainers.

What in the world


'It was a different time'


There’s a great photo from the 70s of a football player resting during the super bowl halftime, enjoying a smoke and a beer


Here's a picture of the Italian sprinter Cipollini smoking a cigarette during a Tour de France stage in 95.

https://bicyclingaustralia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/02...


While cycling! I would think the wind probably smoked most of the cigarette for him


Likewise, here's Johan Cruyff, arguably the greatest soccer football player of his time, smoking at half time of the 74 world cup final.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVjC1SIWkAU1MCQ?format=jpg&name=...


This is actually Reinout Scholten van Aschat, a Dutch actor who played Cruyff in a TV series


Thank you! I did wonder why it was such a good quality image from the 70s. He was a famous smoker though of course.

More recently, Dimitar Berbatov was a known regular smoker. Also Jack Grealish but I think that's just when he's out drinking.


Not a beer, but a soft drink (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/just-because-len-dawson-e...)

And that wasn’t exceptional. See for example https://smoking-room.net/johan-cruyff-smoking-and-football/

And that’s decades before the publication of “Cigarette smoking: an underused tool in high-performance endurance training” (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3001541/) ;-)


> Improper correlation or extrapolation of data can result in dangerously flawed conclusions. The following paper seeks to illustrate this point


Len Dawson of the Kansas City Chiefs. He just passed away last week.


Yeah, it's not like now where they just give them EPO, insulin, HGH, thyroid meds, and ECA.


There’s a classic Jon Bois video about this marathon: https://youtu.be/M4AhABManTw


The first thing I thought when I saw the headline.

Great discussion on an almost unbelievable story.


Made me think also of this event & wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Times_Golden_Globe_Race

    Nine sailors started the race; four retired before leaving the Atlantic Ocean. Of the five remaining, Chay Blyth, who had set off with absolutely no sailing experience, sailed past the Cape of Good Hope before retiring; Nigel Tetley sank with 1,100 nautical miles (2,000 km) to go while leading; Donald Crowhurst, who, in desperation, attempted to fake a round-the-world voyage to avoid financial ruin, began to show signs of mental illness, and then committed suicide; and Bernard Moitessier, who rejected the philosophy behind a commercialised competition, abandoned the race while in a strong position to win and kept sailing non-stop until he reached Tahiti after circling the globe one and a half times. Robin Knox-Johnston was the only entrant to complete the race, becoming the first man to sail single-handed and non-stop around the world. He was awarded both prizes, and later donated the £5,000 to a fund supporting Crowhurst's family.


> Chay Blyth

That's a name I recognise, he's pretty famous now.

https://chayblyth.com/ and also https://www.yachtingmonthly.com/cruising-life/chay-blyth-50-...

> Sir Chay Blyth is known to many as the first person to sail non-stop, “the wrong way” round the world. This however is only one of his many achievements. Since 1966 when he and John Ridgway rowed across the Atlantic, Chay has been pushing the boundaries again and again in sailing, and in business. He has been awarded the BEM and CBE, and is an inspiration to many.


This is a fantastic retelling of this story: https://www.worksinprogress.co/issue/the-maintenance-race/


There’s a new take of the GGR starting in a couple of days. Only sixties tech allowed https://goldengloberace.com/


How this has not yet been made into a film by the Cohen Brothers starring George Clooney I'll never know.


I guess you'd want a young guy for this sort of role, but I can't think of anyone like Clooney nowadays.

The way he just sort of automatically exudes gravitas makes him surprisingly effective in comedy I think. Because comedy requires surprises, and even when he's playing a goofy character it is still somehow surprising when he does something silly.


Based on his performance in The Nice Guys, Ryan Gosling is my first impulse to approximate young Clooney, but I might very easily be a cinema philistine.


Gosling was hilarious in that movie. He seems to really enjoy playing goofy stuff. He is funny in his SNL appearances as well.

But Clooney is a master at goofy. Intolerable Cruelty is the most underrated movie ever.


Ah, that's interesting.

I've typecase Gosling as a shallow heartthrob in my head, even though he's been doing interesting roles for ages.


I was thinking the same thing as I was reading the wiki -- this event could make for an absurd but fantastic movie. And yes, filmed in the style of "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" would be especially entertaining.


May be far cry from what you're imagining yet in the meantime you may possibly enjoy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Those_Magnificent_Men_in_Their...


Not OP, but thanks an absolute tonne for the recommendation!


Lots to love in this, but I’d like to call this out:

> many observers were sure Tau could have done better if he had not been chased nearly a mile off course by wild dogs.


> James E. Sullivan was a chief organizer of the Olympics, and decided to allow only one water station on the 24.85 mile course of the marathon even though it was conducted in 32 °C (90 °F) heat over unpaved roads choked with dust. His ostensible reason was to conduct research on "purposeful dehydration".

Running research experiments during an Olympics marathon??


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Edward_Sullivan

> Sullivan was also the primary organizer of the human zoo-style “Anthropology Days” at the St. Louis World's Fair held in conjunction with the Olympics.[5][6] The event was intended to showcase supposed theories of athletic ability differences between races, but ended up a public disaster as the groups brought in to "perform" at the games generally refused to compete in the expected fashion. Such events are now generally considered to constitute scientific racism.

yikes


The Olympics were not nearly as established or prominent then as they later became. The 1904 Olympics were essentially just part of the much more famous St Louis World's Fair / Louisiana Purchase Exposition. This was not by choice: the Olympic Committee had chosen to have the 1904 games in Chicago, but the organizers of the World's Fair pointed out that they would not tolerate another international event going on at the same time, and said that unless the Olympics were moved to St Louis, the World's Fair itself would put on a larger sports competition intended to crush the Olympics.

The 1904 Olympics were around half the size of the 1900 Olympics in terms of countries and athletes participating, and only 10% of the athletes were from outside North America. The 1900 Olympics were themselves also part of the 1900 Paris Exposition, and were effectively taken over by the exposition organizers, to the point where the events rarely even had "Olympic" in their names: both 1900 and 1904 were effectively sideshows, with events haphazardly held over a period of months.

It was only with the 1906 Olympics in Athens that the games' prominence and success recovered; then, in another odd twist, the IOC retroactively declared that the 1906 Olympics had not been Olympics.


Apart from the details of the actual race, it's interesting to see pictures of officials infront/behind runners in some sort of pre-Model T car/vehicle(/tractor?). The reason I say pre-Model T is because this race was in 1904, Model T production didn't start until 1908 (says wikipedia).



> Winning time 3:28:53

For comparison, Eliud Kipchoge’s world record from 2018 is 2:01:39 and his unofficial best is 1:59:40.

You probably won’t see that kind of improvement in marathon times again in your lifetime.


Tbe world record at the time, according to the linked article, was 2'58:50. Still an impressive improvent since then.


if anything i expect CRISPR, nanobots, 3D lab grown/printed body parts (like 2 hearts and more efficient lungs) etc. to produce such an improvement in half the time, say by 2070. I.e. once software/tech starts to "eat biology" i fully expect some kind of Moore law there too.


And they ran only 40 km (2.2 km short)


Sadly, none of the runners would have qualified to participate in the next Boston Marathon with these results.

The improvements in running performance of amateur runners is amazing.

https://www.baa.org/races/boston-marathon/qualify

Edit: As bizarre as the competition was in other respects, even the world record at the time would barely qualify.


Pretty amazing isn't it? Those 1904 times are achievable by many dedicated amateurs (as indicated by the Boston qualifying time requirements). Not just mid-pack pros, but true amateurs who never competed at the elite level.


Several contestants in 1904 were just dudes who happened to be in the area and thought a quick marathon would be a fun diversion!


Wow, the more I read, the more bizarre this marathon seems.


Just when I thought I'd read it all:

> many observers were sure Tau could have done better if he had not been chased nearly a mile off course by wild dogs.


If you think that's crazy, read about the old Tour de France races. The stages were significantly longer than they are now (300 km to 480 km), and for a while the bikes only had two speeds. To change which gear you were in you had to take the wheel off and flip it around.

In the 1913 Tour, Eugène Christophe broke his fork. He walked two hours to the nearest blacksmith, spent 3 hours repairing the fork himself (otherwise it would have been outside help), and he still got a time penalty because he let a little boy pump the bellows for him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eug%C3%A8ne_Christophe#1913_an...


I don't know if this article is a product of clever writing or actual depiction just wittingly described.

Either way sounded like a silly time to be alive.


This article has been trending recently.

I first saw it posted by the `depthsofwikipedia` instagram account, it is definitely worth a follow: https://www.instagram.com/depthsofwikipedia


This has been my absolute favourite Wikipedia article for years.

Every time it gets popular I am afraid that it will bring attention to itself and Wikipedians will edit it to be less funny or delete parts that seem not relevant (or disputed). But it still lives on.


I got some good laughs here - what a great story. I can't believe how timeless certain things are.


Ah, the good old days!




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