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This is likely the most upsetting part. As flawed as US judicial system is, it is a system that still has to move within certain known parameters. The fact that judicial system stops applying the moment 'the government' decides it doesn't apply is in itself a big problem that effectively undermines basic trust in the system. I don't want to say that it started with Bush, because each president had their sins, but war on terror put a lot of clandestine stuff right in the open. Obama only made it worse ( since he actually killed a US citizen ). Biden was not better..

I am not some sort of naive activist. I accept there is a price to be paid for the relative comfort I live in. That said, some basic rules have to be followed if only to ensure citizenry that they are followed.

For better or worse, most citizens seem to be getting regular reminders[1] that the rules, at best, are not applied evenly. The trust in institutions is already low. Some basic accountability has to apply even to the highest echelon. Scratch that, it especially needs to apply to it.

[1]https://www.npr.org/2022/08/24/1119185396/paul-pelosi-nancy-...




-> some basic rules have to be followed if only to ensure citizenry that they are followed.

I guess one of those rules could be: Don't travel overseas to participate in a war against the US government. Yes, I understand, this is a hard rule to follow, especially if you're of the rebellious bent, but comfort requires compromise.


Well, I am hardly a rebel. The rule you list is not a rule at all.

I am surprised that I even have to point it out, but you do not stop being an American by traveling outside the country. Hell, you do not stop being an American even if you send money to sanctioned entities.

There is a reason there is a process for those, who deviate from societal norms. It ensures people en masse do not take matters into their own hands. That process does not, or at least should not, include current regime deciding you get deaded behind closed doors. Deviation from it historically yielded very poor results.

If you are not sure why that is a bad idea, and a bad omen, for a republic supposedly governed by law, I am genuinely not sure I can help. I am just sad that some people explicitly believe this.


Also it's a hard rule to follow if you are a child.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Nawar_al-Awlaki


If this is how the USA treats its own citizens, it's scary to think about what it probably feels justified doing to foreigners.


Everyone in USA knows that every child is responsible for choosing good parents.


I heard engineer_22 participates in a war against the US government. Oh wait, you'd like due process?


The "facilities" seem to match. I think that qualifies as enough statistical evidence, no?


>I guess one of those rules could be: Don't travel overseas to participate in a war against the US government.

So how is this different from rules forced by ISIS?




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