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Does the California power grid still need to perform load shedding during peak usage, or have they added additional capacity?



Not sure why you got downvoted. Yes, rolling brownouts are still very much a thing in California and probably will be for the foreseeable future: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/california-faces-...


They are being downvoted because 1) California being shitty should have no effect on whether Texas is shitty or not and because 2) even IF California is shittier than Texas (an opinion rather than fact), that doesn't make it any better than the other 48 states that aren't regularly in the news for shitty electrical infrastructure that fails regularly.


Hasn't happened yet this year, but they're expecting more capacity related rolling blackouts.

This certainly isn't just a texas problem


Since the Aug. 2020 blackout the state has added 2 GW of battery storage for solar and wind, as well as delayed closure of a natural gas plant. There's another 2 GW of battery storage planned for this year. If California had the extra 2 GW of storage in 2020, the blackout would have been averted.


4GW gives California 100 wh per capita. Doesn't seem like much but if they keep adding that much a year. What if they have ten times as much. That would be something.


GW is pretty much irrelevant for storage, since power is rarely the bottleneck.


The California grid can pull from outside if needed. Most of Texas can't. That's the issue.


>Most of Texas can't. That's the issue.

Wikipedia seems to contradict your claim. Am I missing something here?

>The Texas Interconnection is maintained as a separate grid for political, rather than technical reasons,[1] but can also draw some power from other grids using DC ties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Interconnection


That's DC power not AC needed to power homes, and even then only 2 minor junction points.

The power plants and substations are still needed to act as a giant DC-to-AC inverter. So if the plants are offline then the grid is effectively down, as it was in the Feb 2021 blizzard.


The DC is converted to AC after it crosses the bridge. The use of DC interconnects means the AC on the two grids doesn't have to be synchronized.


Does maintaining a system for political reasons remove the technical drawbacks?

We’re mostly engineers on this board, have you never had to build a substandard system to meet the political needs of a higher up and then watched it blow up in their face as reality doesn’t care about political needs?


Those interconnections are basically small scale arbitrage connections setup to take advantage of the difference in spot prices. They aren't close to the scale needed to make a dent in a power shortage.


This is true in theory, but in practice it makes little difference.

When California has increased demand, so do all the states it's connected to. Hence the rolling blackouts a couple years ago and more are expected for this summer.


Most blackouts in California are not driven by electricity shortages but rather by hot and strong wind events that lead electric utilities to shut off certain transmission lines in rural areas to avoid sparking wildfires. This distinction probably doesn't matter much to those who have their power cut but it is important to actually fixing the root cause.

There was a particularly nasty heat wave in the western US in 2020 that did lead to load shedding due to a shortage of electricity. That was the first time California had load shedding since 2011 IIRC, and it did not repeat in 2021.


> Hence the rolling blackouts the last few years and more are expected for this summer.

California has had two days with rolling blackouts since 2001, August 14-15 of 2020.

It has had public safety power shutoffs in some areas since 2019 to prevent fire risk during dry, high-wind conditions, but those are a different issue than rolling blackouts and unrelated to energy generating capacity.


> California has had two days with rolling blackouts since 2001, August 14-15 of 2020.

Right. And more are predicted for this year. So it was and still is an issue. Or at least, officials expect it to still be an issue.


california is also an ISO and still does load shedding. oh and Tres Amigas stil isn't done, like over 10 years later, mostly bc federal regulation held it up.


Is Tres Amigas still moving forward? Last I read it got canned.


Texan resident here. Experienced more blackouts/brownouts when I lived in CA than I have in TX.




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