On: SwiftUI for Mac 2022

[lostgame]

I’m baffled as to how this has been so downvoted. It’s just a fact. Been using SwiftUI for two-some years and while I use it for prototyping, when I actually want to get ‘real’ things done, I go back to UIKit quick as a bolt of lightning.

[interpol_p → lostgame]

I wouldn't describe it as a "fact" that SwiftUI is a toy

I have used SwiftUI now in 5 shipping iOS applications and one internal macOS app. Two of them had codebases that extended all the way back to pre-ARC Objective-C! One app was 100% SwiftUI (with two UIKit exceptions where I had to drop down to work around a SwiftUI bug)

I get "real" things done in both UIKit and SwiftUI. It is trivial to host a SwiftUI view in UIKit, and it soon becomes the most pleasant part of the app to work on in my experience

It's simply a tool to use alongside UIKit, and it happens to be fun to use too

[andrekandre → interpol_p]

  > It's simply a tool to use alongside UIKit, and it happens to be fun to use too

exactly. the way i look at it is like a super powered version of xml (xib) for describing app uis

there are alot of things you cant do in pure xml/xib and the same is true of swiftui, in those cases you need to use an island of imperative code (uikit or custom class) and things work smoother in those cases

[programmarchy → lostgame]

I’ve found SwiftUI to be a dramatic improvement over storyboards or view controllers for managing state and flow. Sure, for some view components you need to drop down into UIKit to do some detail work, but then it can be abstracted back into SwiftUI.

[ardit33 → programmarchy]

No serious company is using Storyboards. Only toy apps or small companies do, or junior devs. SwiftUI might be ok for them as well.

[lostgame → ardit33]

I work for a major bank in Canada; we are one of the largest companies in Canada, and we use storyboards. We are very serious about the work we do.

We are also working on SwiftUI stuff as well.

[ardit33 → lostgame]

You made my point. You work on a bank, not a software company. Let’s be real, third league and banks treat software as an expense/cost center.

Let me know when any of the major companies actually use it seriously.

[dagmx → ardit33]

You seem to have a serious chip on your shoulder, and a lot of your comments are really gatekeeper like.

Out of curiosity, what products of note have you developed that give you the right to talk down to everyone else?

[lostgame → ardit33]

Wow, you okay, man?

We are a bank. We make software used by millions of people a day.

We are a major company.

Lost your key, gatekeeper? :P

[aplummer → ardit33]

How exactly are you building watchOS app?

Plenty of serious development uses SwiftUI and storyboards.

[aaaaaaaaaaab → ardit33]

Apple’s own iOS apps use storyboards.

[jaegerpicker → lostgame]

I have production apps in the store with SwiftUI so it's not a fact at all. These are non-toy apps. UIKit is more mature but it hasn't matter at all in my experience.