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I doubt your dog passes the mirror test ...



Things to hate about HN: the large number of nearly-nothing responses like this. I wish people would instead suggest something constructive like 'make some vids and put them on youtube so we can judge for ourselves'.


A good test is to apply a white mark on the subjects head. Try to do it in a way they don't notice, and use a safe material with no odor. Then see if they start mucking with their head after looking in the mirror.


Agreed. If an HN poster doesn't start cleaning their hair after looking in a mirror, their account should be cancelled to prevent further posting. That would work.

(err, that's what you meant, right?)


Well, this dog is white, but I may try some experiments. I'm curious if she could recognize a mark.


That would imply I can believe his very extraordinary claims. No dogs have ever passed the mirror test, this would be a momentous occasion for science.


Given the list of animals that have, or may <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test#Mammals> why would it be so astounding to add a dog to that list?

(NB, I don't know where I saw it but if you look at <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test#Mammals_3> about pigs: "Pigs can use visual information seen in a mirror to find food" - someone recently found dogs doing the same; finding hidden food with mirrors with distinctly better than chance).


Because it would be astounding to add any creature to the list of self aware creatures?


Understanding that a reflection is a reflection isn't full self-awareness, which itself is a blanket term. Being aware of your physical presence doesn't necessitate having a sense of self.


Seeing the reflecton and recognizing what you're seeing is your own reflection (demonstrating this knowledge by fixing your hair, which you notice is ruffled) is basically the full mirror test which is the best test we have for self-recognition.


Or include a link to peer reviewed research. Instead it’s all memes. This one is Will Ferrel as the Anchorman saying “I don’t believe you.”



Well, she's aware it's a reflection of her/not an actual dog. She also can look at me in a mirror while knowing where I am in real life, and it's pretty clear she understands which is real. I'm not sure if she maps her ego onto the reflection like a higher primate could, though.




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