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iOS provides many more security protections beyond sandboxing.



So what? It’s clearly not enough on its own.


When has it been not clearly enough?


Are you suggesting that iOS provides perfect security? If you think that, I am not going to bother to do the googling for you.


It provides far better security than Apple critics believe. Apple haters do not trust the company’s quality of engineering.


So you avoided the question.

Are you suggesting that iOS provides perfect security?


Far closer to perfect security than anti-Apple skeptics such as yourself would claim.


How many security flaws are there, and when do you anticipate that they will all be eliminated?

If you can’t answer these questions, then you can’t make any claim about it being close to perfect.


How many of those security flaws are mitigated by App Store curation, and how many of those flaws are already being let through?

At this point we are both asking each other to prove negatives now, as productive as that is. I think we can both agree to disagree.


Weird move. By asking those questions of me, you have proven my point:

You have shown that you don’t know anything about how many security flaws there are or how many are protected from by App Store curation, so your claims up to this point about security have simply been dishonest.

This isn’t about agreeing to disagree. It’s that you’ve just been making up false claims this whole time.



Those links don’t address the fact they you’ve been lying up until now about your knowledge of iOS security.

Nobody said app store curation is perfect, just that it is necessary in addition to OS security.

It’s not clear what you are trying to do now other than to distract from being caught in a lie.


App Store curation is beneficial, but it is not absolutely necessary, and in many ways is lacking.

The fact that you cannot begin to imagine a world where Apple's engineering capabilities exists beyond the App Store, nor are aware of the many, many security features they have enabled on both iOS and MacOS [0], speaks of your own skepticism towards Apple's ability to get the job done beyond the App Store. I suggest you read up on Apple's work into system security [1] and elsewhere. It's quite fascinating!

[0] https://support.apple.com/guide/security/app-security-overvi...

[1] https://support.apple.com/guide/security/system-security-ove...


You still haven’t addressed the fact that you are lying about apple’s security.

You don’t know how many flaws there are, how long before they are fixed, or how many are protected against by the App Store.

You have no facts and yet you continue to make a claim you know you can’t support. Indeed you have presented links that show for certain that Apple’s security is not perfect.

It seems like your ideas about the perfection of Apple’s security exist only in your imagination.


> You don’t know how many flaws there are, how long before they are fixed, or how many are protected against by the App Store.

Do you know? I've provided many links about Apple's security, while you have only offered your own opinions. If you have any helpful information, it would definitely be appreciated.


It doesn’t matter how many links you post if they don’t answer the relevant questions:

How many security flaws are there, and when do you anticipate that they will all be eliminated?

If you can’t answer these questions, then you can’t make any claim about it being close to perfect, or even how good it is.


That is fair. I suppose then it is a question of faith in Apple's security abilities. I just happen to trust Apple to be more than their App Store.


I think Apple is more than their store too. I also think they if Apple is forced to allow alternate stores, users and developers will suffer, the industry will be set back, and a few scummy operators will take some rent.


I understand that point and it has been a hypothetical situation that has been debated for years, and is only now getting closer to (possibly) becoming true. I think fears of it are overblown, as I have discussed elsewhere, because it both portrays Apple as helpless and portrays those scummy operators as being all-powerful. It also underestimates user resistance towards having to deal with more app stores that they wouldn't want to, and also underestimates the potential for smaller indie developers that alternative app stores and alternative payment processors could unlock.

That is my position, and I'd rather discuss it at a different place, but thank you for letting me know where you stand, and now you know where I do.




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