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If no one can afford housing then why is it priced so high? Apparently there are buyers right? Otherwise, prices would be lower.



Prices are set at the margin, and house prices are sticky on the way down as noone wants to sell for a loss. Instead volume of sales decline, unless sales are forced by foreclosure. Also cheap borrowing and risky lending practices.


A lot of houses are sold to be rented out. I personally know someone who bought a house a year ago, saw it appreciate $150k, and is now using that as a down payment on an investment property. It’s sickening.


Zillow and others helped to inflate the prices. Around here (Colorado) they were buying up houses at $30k-50k over asking and often within 1-3 days of listing, which meant people weren't willing to sell for the reasonable prices. And once Zillow or companies like them owned the houses, they weren't (until forced) willing to sell for a loss.


So Zillow selling for a loss means houses sell at the prices you wanted, right?


If someone as stupid as Zillow demonstrated themselves to be was willing to spend $50k over asking, they can sell at $25k below their own purchase price and it's a loss. The price still remains higher than it ever should have been.


> than it ever should have been

Is there some mystical oracle of house prices? Or, like all markets, are things priced according to what buyers will pay intersected with what sellers will sell for?

The price "should have been" whatever a homeowner could get for selling his house. It was his asset to do with as he pleases. It is not the asset of a whiny buyer to cry about not getting the price he wanted, especially at a cost to the seller.

Also Zillow bought a small fraction of all house sales, so paid market rates. They weren't paying 50k more for a house than a neighboring house sold to a person for. The evidence you imply isn't there. Zillow and individuals were paying the same rates, i.e., what the market would bear, i.e., the actual price.



Buying for over asking price is done all the time. I take it you know little about housing markets, sales, or any of this.

I've been involved in 6 house transactions in the past 2 years (a good friend is a realtor, 2 of the transactions involved properties I was moving, 2 were friends, 2 were relatives.) 5 moves f the 6 went for more than asking by quite a bit, for the exact reason that the realtor, wisely, knew the market prices and put them up decently below rates. This causes a rush of buyers who then start a bidding war. All were private buyers. This is standard practice.

Did you know this is how properties are sold?

Got any more non-evidence?

https://money.com/home-offer-over-asking-price-tips/


The moderately wealthy (probably overrepresented on HN) can afford housing. Everybody else gets to choose between either fighting over whatever's left over or moving somewhere that's cheap but not actually where they want to live.




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