On: In defense of complicated programming languages

[yxhuvud]

> Ruby is fairly easy to learn

No, its not. Ruby as a language is about as complex as they come.

It is easy to get to a productive state though, but that is not the same thing as having learned the language. Length of learning curve and accessibility are vastly different things.

[lerno → yxhuvud]

Getting productive easily is the pretty much the definition of not having a steep learning curve. So I have difficulties making sense of your argument.

[foxfluff → lerno]

yxhuvud referred to length of the learning curve, not slope of the learning curve.

Even if getting started is easy (no steep slope), mastery can take long.

[KptMarchewa → yxhuvud]

Python is the same. It's easy to write simple code, but once you get deep enough, the skeletons come out of closet.