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Introducing the ... Nementor. Part nemesis, all mentor. After they destroy you, they tell you how they did it. Or sometimes they go easy on you when they see you might get it.



I believe that would just attract people that satisfy their narcissism with isolated gestures of patronage. The only exception I would see is to set high standards. People always get there if you let them. Many cannot even help themselves, it is like having to climb a mountain. A mentor that can leverage such ambitions and can provide assistance is probably priceless.


Also a bit like a good personal trainer? You hate them for suggesting burpies/suicide-planks/what-ever-you-hate-most, but you'll go to hell before you admit defeat and refuse to do them as you know you'll be better off in the long run.


I've worked with two trainers that work with professional athletes (NFL, etc) and neither took that approach.


I think a lot of these are discipline strategies and I'd wager that personal trainers to professional athletes perform as less of an external source of discipline and more of an external brain/workout strategist/source of encouragement, as professional athletes usually already have the discipline/motivation a little under control.

Whereas personal trainers (as opposed to professional trainers and more in line with the previous comment's thought of a single nemesis/mentor) would need to be that external source of discipline, as well.

Totally guessing here, no experience in the training world whatsoever, feel free to tell me I'm way off base.


Can you elaborate on their approach?


Not really. Because it's not clear I could see the entire of the athletes programming. Or even the tiny sliver of the coaches programming for the one athletes.

We would work out adjacent to each other in an empty gym twice a week and I could observe their workouts.

Sorry if that's shirking your question but wouldn't want to overstate and offer something incorrect.


Not to be confused with the Mentesis, who will teach you malevolently to get the better of you.


Spot on actually. I‘ve found that adversarial techniques are underrated in constructive relationships. The times where I was thrown a friendly challenge from peers were gold.

I once worked for a mentor of mine using elements of Provicative Therapy and thought zhat was weird… not doubting the effectivity anymore.

http://www.provocativetherapy.com/what-is-provocative-therap...


Internet trolls are the real therapists.


Isn't this basically Wells 1.0 from the Flash?


I’m a beginner in management. In 3 years, the only interns who excelled are those whom I told had barely passed the interview and were paid the least. The ones I respected for their initial talent didn’t fully understand their subject matter and, notably, couldn’t do post-deployment customer interviews to check, loop back and reflect on their work.

It deeply saddens me because it means saddistic managers obtain better results, and people perform better by being talked down. And that’s not a path I want to take and it’s hard to find the way to both congratulate people and get them to excel at their work (FYI we’re at 35h/week and we don’t do overtime here).


After almost 2 decades in the industry, working at tens of companies in two continents, I can say without any hesitation that the best managers are never sadistic.

Within the context of a dysfunctional, fear-driven company, these sadistic techniques might squeeze better performance out of certain workers, but a force of creative, thoughtful, talented, self-motivated workers will work elsewhere. While I have worked in a few dysfunctional, fear-driven companies over the years, I did not see any of them grow or hold onto talent over time. The best companies I've worked at terminate abusive managers if they accidentally hire one. They take kindness and empathy very seriously.


Some academic once told me that the best phd students tended to get Bs in their honours year, because they didn’t think memorising a textbook was a good use of their time.

Is your interview process perhaps over-indexing academic performance or some similarly time wasting achievement?


Or maybe you were just bad at judging their talent or capacity for working hard?


why would you tell anyone that they barely passed an interview and why pay an intern according to interview performance? I think the issue here is not the interns


Maybe your interview wrong and hire wrong people?

Seems that you hire people who are good at bullshitting during the interview, not the ones who are actually good at their job (what is not easy btw, many people are bad at bullshitting and bad at their jobs).

Obviously most interns are green, but it seems you get the ones who are good at the interview phase and expect them to read your mind somehow and acquire the skills that.. you dont teach them. Do they know that they are supposed to do the things you want? Are they told how?

Also it is pretty funny that after 3 years of management you didnt notice that what all those failed interns have in common is... you.


On that note, 'mentor' is almost an anagram of 'torment'


sounds like the Sith model. Always two there are.




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