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You know what actually drove my fiance out of tech? Sitting in front of a computer all day till her health, looks, and worth as a women became threatened because instead of being fit, taking care of her body, and practicing self care she would instead have to do what most men do and just sit all day.

She has made commits to the Linux kernel that have been merged and she loves hentai and porn but is no longer in tech because she literally makes more money being a cam girl and it's way more fun.

Tldr: stop trying to white knight. It's neither warranted nor welcome.




>She has made commits to the Linux kernel that have been merged and she loves hentai and porn but is no longer in tech because she literally makes more money being a cam girl and it's way more fun.

I'd argue this proves my point though. Your fiance is someone who conformed to the existing male dominated culture and succeeded despite the structural roadblocks in place. But the other 50% of women who may have otherwise made a career in this industry were driven out.


> But the other 50% of women who may have otherwise made a career in this industry were driven out.

[Citation Needed]


My point being that there's no reason engineering teams shouldn't be 50/50 male/female, but the reality is more like 90/10. Why does the other 40% never show up despite our best efforts? It's cultural.


Maybe because they don't apply?


>Maybe because they don't apply?

And why didn't they apply? Software is one of the best careers in the world. Maybe they are getting lost along the way earlier in the pipeline because tech is pseudonomyous with the the kind of people who like to talk about things like DeepCreamPy. Maybe they walk into that freshman CS class and see 30 other dudes that fit this profile and give them creepy unwanted attention and they drop it and switch to biology. There's a serious "dudes club" problem with this industry and this just feels like an expression of that.


> Software is one of the best careers in the world.

In theory it is. In practice...well, let's ask game developers for example. Or other groups who end up with a real-world job they end up hating.

> Maybe they are getting lost along the way earlier in the pipeline

Quite likely.

> because tech is pseudonomyous with the the kind of people who like to talk about things like DeepCreamPy. Maybe they walk into that freshman CS class and see 30 other dudes that fit this profile and give them creepy unwanted attention and they drop it and switch to biology.

Yeah, that's not happening. First, because for example in my country there's no such thing as "switching to biology", so you can't lose them this way. And yet, there's something like 7% of women in my country's informatics-related university programmes. Furthermore, those 7% are 7% of applicants, so there's no "maybe they [walked] into that freshman CS class" because those 7% haven't even seen that freshman class yet. So while you're quite likely correct in that "they are getting lost along the way earlier in the pipeline", it's definitely WAY earlier than you postulate in at least some quite large populations in the world.


> Maybe they are getting lost along the way earlier in the pipeline

I have admin access to our pipeline. They don't apply. The ratio is 50:1 or so.

> Maybe they walk into that freshman CS class and see 30 other dudes that fit this profile and give them creepy unwanted attention and they drop it and switch to biology.

And? What's your point here?

> There's a serious "dudes club" problem with this industry and this just feels like an expression of that.

Python library made to remove censorship from cartoons is an expression of some abstract made-up problem, do you even hear yourself?


Keep digging that hole bro.


It's wild seeing nerds on HN bend over backwards to justify themselves when the truth is that fewer women want to do the job. Not because they aren't capable but because they just don't want to.




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