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> had the brazen nerve to post this lie

That's excessive, crosses into personal attack, and breaks the HN guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). Please make your substantive points without stooping to that.

This is not a site for stirring up internet mobs. We're trying to avoid the online callout/shaming culture here.

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That's fair, you're right. I should have been less inflammatory. This story struck a chord in me for... reasons. That's not meant as an excuse, I should have known better to have taken a step back before I said anything, especially something that could escalate tensions. Thank you for killing the comment. I'll be more mindful of it going forward.


Appreciated!


> Responses to the study have been overwhelmingly positive

7 days ago my response to this study included that the "vague legal threat at the end of your mail is immoral and gross". I guess he considered that a positive.


Sure, after all he is studying public policy on technology. Maybe from his perspective it is very interesting and useful for his research to see this response. Scaring the crap out of people over compliance with technology-related laws would seem to have some bearing on understanding the role of public policy. Of course it crosses into human research, so it's unethical since he did not have approval for that.


Would anyone be interested in organizing a class action lawsuit against Ross Teixeira and Princeton?


Is the point to get money or stop this from happening again?

If it’s the latter, I wonder if it would be more effective to bring this incident (and the apparent ineffectiveness of Princeton’s IRB) to the attention of the NIH. I would think the prospect of putting all that grant money in jeopardy would cause people in high places to take notice.


I think the plaintiffs would be people who spent money reacting to the emails, and I suspect Princeton may be quick to take care of those expenses to avoid further action.

I personally didn’t incur any monetary costs, just a lot of unnecessary stress.


Intentional infliction if emotion distress is a cause of action for a civil suit. You don't have to have lost money.


I think this is pretty awful, but I'd still give the person the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't intentional.


How could you know it's a lie?


Because he said the response was overwhelming positive at the same time that he is dealing with anxious & irate recipients of his messages.


It's possible that he's only seeing positive responses, because entities who had a negative reaction are either laying low or hiring lawyers.


That tweet was sent out around and the time the project website was edited to immediately indicate the end of the study (instead of continuing it to the spring), and adding a FAQ that tries to dispel concerns about IRB approval and email address harvesting.

That makes it seem unlikely he was unaware of the negative responses to his study.


I'd be willing to believe that, say, 90% of the responses were polite, positive customer-service language, and the other 10% were anxious and irate.


There is such a thing as a vocal minority.

In fact it is a surprisingly common phenomenon.


That is true, although I think it would still be a poor choice of words to say "overwhelmingly" without tempering that with a note about assuaging the fears of some few that misunderstood the nature of the communication. Assuming he was aware that some were stressed and involving legal council.

The "secret shopper" justification for not informing participants ahead of time about the study can only take him so far, and I don't think it was necessary here to begin with. His research is to determine the policies in place at target recipients' organizations, and that doesn't require secrecy. In fact that justification undermines the exemption status of the study: he expected that people may react differently if they thought it was a user vs. a research study.


That sounds.. plausible?




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