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If you read everyone else's comments, you can use it without the cloud service.



But can I be sure that an update can't change that?


Don't install updates then! I don't understand this line of logic - you don't want ongoing service but you're using the ongoing service to get updates?


Do you suggest to also avoid security updates? Does not sound like a good advice.

For this reason, I prefer devices running exclusively free software. I can be sure that I will always own them and that security updates will never end, if the device is still used by the community.

Debian clearly separates security and non-security-related updates. I wish more projects did that.


I thought you didn't want ongoing service? You want them to keep working on updates for your device but you don't want to keep paying them?

> I can be sure that I will always own them and that security updates will never end, if the device is still used by the community.

How do you ensure that someone else will write a security patch for you?


> You want them to keep working on updates for your device but you don't want to keep paying them?

No, I want to able to have updates independently on the vendor who may want to stop updating the device. This is exactly why free software was created. Experience shows that just this ability is enough to have lifetime updates from the community for any device. Or, alternatively, one can pay to anyone for the updates, if necessary. My 12+-year-old laptop runs latest version of Debian and I do not expect to stop receiving security updates any time soon.


> Don't install updates then! I don't understand this line of logic - you don't want ongoing service but you're using the ongoing service to get updates?

For example, one might want to get security updates.


> one might want to get security updates

So you do want an ongoing service, you just don't want to pay for it?


We do not want anti-features preventing us from using our device as we see fit (e.g., updating on our own).


I don't think this subscription service is the thing that prevents you from doing that?


No, but the proprietary nature of the software, with updates that I can't control, might be.


Then make your own device. Nobody out a gun to your head saying you have to buy this device.


I was asking whether this device fits my demands.


So you want to buy a fridge, and keep using it without paying for it?


for now. Ever heard of OTA updates?




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