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In slovenia, we have very complicated formulas to determine the cost of heating in multi-apartment buildings, and the costs are calculated by the usage of your radiators (we have energy counters for heat in every apartment), and you add/subtract the some reduced values of your neighbors meter (the ones you share your walls with), and the things are averaged out a bit.

Basically, even if you turn all the radiators off in your apartment, you still pay around 50% or even more (if you share most of the walls) of the average heating bill.




I would read an article with a quick history of this particular formula (who came up with it, who enforces it), what people think of it, how accurate it is in respect to the actual movement of heat, etc. Does it account for heat rising irt mutilevel buildings?

Just a leftfield idea for any blocked Slovenian writers.


This is one of the documents that regulates one type of heating system in slovenia... You can mostly just find companies that do the calculations for you :)

https://www-pisrs-si.translate.goog/Pis.web/pregledPredpisa?...

Article 15


If the temperature is too high for you and you used an air conditioner to lower it, then wouldn't you be paying twice: for the AC and the heating?

Do your neighbors have to pay extra when they don't run their AC in Summer?


If you're running your AC, aren't you also raising your neighbor's heating bills?


If the A/C exhaust was set up to vent into your neighbors, you could actually be lowering their heating bill :)


This comment is the winner for me. Co-generation for the win!

I so wish combined-cycle gas turbines could be miniaturised enough to run one at home and still have the same efficiencies.


We use heat, when it's cold outside (i think it has to bee three days below 12°C at 9pm - not sure), so if it's too hot for you, you just open a window.

AC usage is not regulated.


If they want to make these more complicated, they could also factor in the usage of gpus in each apartment.


The owners-meetings are already complicated enough, especially when someone old is away from home for a month, and they get a bill that includes heat, and they complain that their radiators were off all the time :) ...then they find out that they're paying for their neigbors heat, and then they start complaining, about "that neighbor above them" who keeps their windows open, even during the winter :)

...former socialist country, so yeah, people complain, and want everything to be "fair", as long as "fair" means less money for them to pay.


So if I set my thermometer to a super warm luxury temperature, my neighbors have to pay for that?


Yes and no. Yes, they pay for some of your consumption, but if the formula is accurate, they save that (or more) because the heat leaking from your appt into theirs means they can heat less.


Yeah, a bit of that... but they use less of their own heat, since you are heating their apartments too.


It kind of makes sense. If you turn yours really high, your neighbor doesn't need to turn theirs as high anymore because you will be warming up their apartment


But this assumes that more heat = good is always true. What if it isn't? If you're running a whole bunch of computers in one of the rooms then extra heat from your neighbor might actually be harmful rather than helpful.


A judge made a similar point during in a court case about whether animals have property rights (I believe it was Cetacean Community v U.S). They said "if animals have the rights of humans wouldn't they then have then responsibilities?" Wouldn't you then be able to sue a monkey for not maintaining a stream bed such that it floods you?


It just assumes that more heat needs more fuel therefore more cost. It's a finite resource. What you do with the heat is irrelevant


Yes, but the point is that you're paying for something you didn't want.


That's the reality of multiapartment buildings. People at lower levels don't want to pay for elevator repair, and also don't want to pay for roof repair... people higher up don't care about people parking directly infront of ground level windows, and that the floors at ground level are usually cold(er).




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