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in the comment? how many people would read his comment versus the subject line?

Also the fact that he can fundamentally change what a user posts and then choose whether or not to disclose it in comment section is a flaw.




I wholeheartedly disagreed until I saw your point (I think). The post still has your name beside it and you disagree with someone changing your words. While I don't find it a big deal with this, I kinda agree in spirit. Maybe the poster name should be changed too. However, folks would then be upset about not getting their sweet, sweet karma.


ok. what did you disagree with if not my point? I do not care in the least bit about HN's karma


A better way of phrasing would be -- until I understood your point. I meant "saw your point" as in "I see your point".


got it. Makes sense.


Entitlement is a flaw.


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That you expect HN to work the way you want it to, instead of the way it already worked when you joined. You've been here 8 years, enough time to familiarize yourself with what's in the package. Besides that, a moderator going out of their way to mention that they have made an edit to your post, as well as specifically what edit they made is more than you could reasonably expect, and you already have that. Anything over and beyond that is pure entitlement.

Moderator time is more precious than your time, if you feel that you've been wronged then you could have just said what you thought was wrong rather than to demand a fix to your liking. This is further amplified by the fact that you have a major stake in the property whose link you posted here. Your website, your rules, HN -> HN's rules.


- "you expect"- wrong! - at no point did i express my "expectation". I was voicing my opinion on how I think the UX should work for this use case

- "instead of the way it already worked when you joined." Just because it worked this way does not mean it is right.

- "HN -> HN's rules." Yes, Captain Obvious. this does not mean their rules make sense and certainly does not mean a user voicing an opinion on how the rules should be changed is entitled.


This "captain obvious" stuff isn't helping you; it's just going to get everything you have to say flagged. You sound upset. I don't think I understand why --- having links replaced is totally standard HN practice, happens all the time, and works to the overall benefit of the community. But I don't have to understand why you're upset for you to feel that way. Rather, I'd just say, step away from HN for a bit until you can write with a clearer head.


i do get where they're coming from. right now we rely on dang and other mods (do they even exist?) doing the right thing in terms of making benign and beneficial changes to the linked story and being visible about making those changes. i've certainly seen communities where this trust ended up being abused due to scale or change in moderatorship.

it would be nicer from a transparency perspective to make these kinds of changes easily auditable by adding an "edited by" in the full page or a dedicated audit log. it would strike a balance between letting moderators improve the community while improving transparency at the system level.


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HN's UX here is good. Stories are community property; they do not belong to the person who submits them. It's a basic rule of the site, and a very good one.


The community should know when the content is materially altered.


That's exactly the purpose of the moderator comment, as people pointed out near the start of all this.


That's how it's always worked here on HN.


does not mean it is right


It doesn't mean it's right, but on this site it is.

Allowing people to editorialize headlines and pick biased sources skews the discussion.

Since we want to limit multiple similar discussion threads but allow everyone to continue talking, this is a good compromise.

Giving too much credit to a biased source or blogspam post goes too far in the direction of skewing the discussion IMHO.

Also the link or headline might change multiple times. Best to just keep it simple.


You're right, it doesn't mean that. But independently of that point, what HN does here is right.


And more than any other online forum would do, it's in fact an exercise in transparency, and super labor intensive to boot.


"more than any other online forum would do" - still does not mean it is right

"super labor intensive to boot" - it should be in the CMS code to show a flag if "edited".


in your opinion it is right, in my opinion it is wrong.


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why would i want HN to hold my hand?




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