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The CEO, the union, the FAA, and the fact that they're getting back to normal all say the walk-off didn't happen.

"We didn’t see sick leave beyond normal. In fact, we saw our crews picking up open time to the extent that they could."


What motives does the CEO, union, FAA have in all this?

Obviously, they all desire a "return to normalcy". The CEO wants a better bottom line. The union wants to avoid fines and penalties. The FAA has political stakeholders that don't want any rumors of anyone against their mandates.

They all desire the same outcome. I would factor that in to whether their being 100% truthful about everything.


This is about the pilots, not the union, the FAA, or the CEO.

Why hasn't anyone interviewed the pilots? Seems that would clear things up.


> Why hasn't anyone interviewed the pilots? Seems that would clear things up.

I'm not sure why you'd think that.

It's likely I can find a doctor to interview who doesn't believe in germ theory; that doesn't tell me how widespread that is.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/11/tweets/sou...

> Murray told the Dallas Morning News that the data showed that pilot sick rates during the heavy cancellation days were "exactly in line with where they were all summer with the same kind of operational disasters."

Actual data on sick leave seems more useful that an individual anecdote or two.


I meant the pilots who were there. Should be easy to clear up if the CEO just lets the pilots speak on how happy they are with the jab and how they totally didn't walk out.

For some reason we've only seen union leaders, the CEO, and others come out. If they really wanted to dispel things they'd let the pilots speak.


> If they really wanted to dispel things they'd let the pilots speak.

Perhaps via their official representatives, the Southwest Airlines Pilots Association?

How many pilots would you need to see interviewed to determine there wasn't a sick-out? After all, something like 70% of flights went ahead.


> How many pilots would you need to see interviewed to determine there wasn't a sick-out?

1 SW pilot would be fine, not the association, not the union, not the CEO. A SW pilot that was supposed to be working that day.


> A SW pilot that was supposed to be working that day.

A single pilot claiming to have gone to work would be sufficient to disprove the sick-out? 1,000 out of about 3,000 flights got canceled on Sunday. I presume the remaining 2,000 were piloted; I don't know that an interview is necessary to demonstrate that.

A single pilot claiming to have done a sick-out doesn't prove anything much, either. I can find a doctor that claims demon sperm causes gynecological issues (https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/report-texas-doctor-who-wen...), but that doesn't really lend it credence.

The sick leave data seems a lot more compelling than digging up one interview, in either direction.


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Are you implying that a picture of an airplane cockpit window with a Don't Tread on me Flag hanging out of it is evidence of a walkout? Then I have another tweet you might enjoy:

https://twitter.com/DogDuffy/status/1442144257498759169


Sure maybe someone staged it in another similar cockpit around the same time, or did it preemptively and waited for this event. Or maybe it's a fake rendering.

Interviewing the pilots of that day would help, but the media doesn't seem interested in that.


I didn't realize that somebody said it happened on twitter...


Pilot strikes have to be approved by the NMB and any job actions including sick outs are illegal. The union and company are merely denying that they did anything illegal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Mediation_Board


Yeah it happened but only at exactly one airline and for exactly one day AND ended without any capitulation and also no one who walked off made any public demands!

Because that's how labor strikes work...

Jesus, dude. Think.




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