You've completely reversed which party is inserting themselves into the existing conversation though, which gives it an entirely different context.
And honestly, there is no perfect band-aid for how to treat views that you find honestly stupid. Sure, some people won't listen if you're out there calling them stupid, but some people won't listen unless you do. People are messsy, complicated, and different.
> You've completely reversed which party is inserting themselves into the existing conversation though, which gives it an entirely different context.
How so?
> And honestly, there is no perfect band-aid for how to treat views that you find honestly stupid. Sure, some people won't listen if you're out there calling them stupid, but some people won't listen unless you do. People are messsy, complicated, and different.
When you talk down to people, tell them that they are uncivilized, and call them stupid or “deplorable” they’ll sink the entire ship and take themselves down with you just to spite you.
If you want nation healthcare, or any number of other things the exact wrong approach is this approach.
I think most people’s stance on guns or capitalism is downright stupid. You think if I say to someone who wants to ban AR-15s that they’re stupid and uncivilized that they’ll have an epiphany? I doubt it. They’ll double down. If I approach them with an approach to partner and find solutions to problems and understand their point of view, I’m far more likely to gain their support or at least sympathy. People are certainly messy, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that when you’re trying to get someone to do something that starting off telling them that they are stupid or uncivilized is a sure fire way to get them to do the opposite.
Because you weren't having a conversation with someone trying to convince them of anything, you jumped in to police the speech of someone expressing their frustration with the state of their nation.
>When you talk down to people, tell them that they are uncivilized, and call them stupid or “deplorable” they’ll sink the entire ship and take themselves down with you just to spite you.
And if you go around pissing off the people who are trying to achieve the same goals as you, they'll stop putting in any effort.
> Because you weren't having a conversation with someone trying to convince them of anything, you jumped in to police the speech of someone expressing their frustration with the state of their nation.
So they were having a conversation and I’m not? I don’t really get your point.
> And if you go around pissing off the people who are trying to achieve the same goals as you, they'll stop putting in any effort.
…sure ok. I guess if they’re going to talk down to people and call them uncivilized then I’ll stop supporting the goal too. Everyone wins.
>So they were having a conversation and I’m not? I don’t really get your point.
My point is there is a major contextual difference between someone entering a conversation between you and a third party to say rude things about the third party and someone making general statements in a public forum and you jumping in on behalf of a theoretical third party who may not actually be offended.
Didn't realize I can't comment on someone addressing a 3rd-party (is it 3rd-party?) in a condescending way as a less optimal way of getting that 3rd-party onboard with your ideas.
If that's difficult for you I don't think there is much to discuss here because it seems pretty clear to me and I don't want to waste your time or anything out of respect.
And honestly, there is no perfect band-aid for how to treat views that you find honestly stupid. Sure, some people won't listen if you're out there calling them stupid, but some people won't listen unless you do. People are messsy, complicated, and different.