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BepiColombo’s First Views of Mercury (esa.int)
184 points by adolph on Oct 4, 2021 | hide | past | favorite | 64 comments



I see a bunch of confusion about Mercury in this thread so let me correct the record.

First, as to why colonize Mercury, there are some really good reasons:

1. Cheap, abundant energy (ie solar);

2. Access to tons of raw materials, particularly metals;

3. Relatively low gravity means getting into orbit is relatively low cost.

A few people have stated we'd hide in a crater as a negative. We'd live underground probably in submerged habitats that spin to produce Earth-like gravity, just as we would have to on Mars and the Moon.

For Mars in particular, people have this romantic notion of living on the surface. We wouldn't. There's essentially no atmosphere. Worse than no atmosphere actually there's just enough to cover all your gear in dust and do little else for you. You still have to worry about radiation. Terraforming is a monstrously massive project that would take millenia.

The biggest negative to Mercury is how hard it is to reach from Earth. Fun fact: the delta-V required to reach Mercury from Earth is more than that to escape the Solar System (eg like New Horizons). There's a reason this probe is taking 7 years to get there and doing multiple gravity brakes along the way (watch the ESA animation [1]).

If you're going to bootstrap a Dyson Swarm, Mercury is almost the perfect place to do it from.

[1]: https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Videos/2017/07/Animation_...


Two things from that video:

1. The amount of planning that is required for this is just astounding to me. That we can pretty trivially plan to use something like planetary motion as a motor is fascinating.

2. I'm really bad at Kerbal Space Program.


This is a great mission for mankind as well. A previous HN discussion talked about the possibility of a Mercury colony because it has water ice.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27741738 https://www.universetoday.com/128531/terraform-mercury/


Except colonizing Mercury is of relatively little value because of how little surface of it is usable, impossibility of terraforming the planet, how difficult it is to get there or back and that it does not help to reach any other interesting place in our system or outside of it.


We do these things, and the other things, not because they are easy but because they are hard.


No, there are very few people who actually do this.

People collectively do hard things when they are profitable.

Profitability here in most broad sense possible. US did not send men to Moon because it was hard. It was done because US was in a race with USSR and winning that race was profitable to US.

Having public opinion excited about some goal can be profitable, too.

If you don't believe, think about it: why has Apollo program been stopped? Because people got used to it and there was nothing further to prove -- further sanding people to Moon after US has demonstrated it can do it repeatedly was extremely expensive but there were no longer any significant profits from it.

So while it was still hard it actually became unprofitable to continue to do so.

If it was hard that caused US to send people to Moon, they would not stop sending people, they would be sending more, build base on Moon, etc.


A colony doesn't strictly have to mean "persist humanity indefinitely into the future" -- it can also mean going there, setting up camp and extracting mineral resources, for example.


Why extract mineral resources from a planet that is so deep within Sun gravitational field that you have to expend more energy to get stuff from there than you would to get stuff from Earth surface?

Why do that if you have billions of flying bodies in much more convenient places flying around the Sun waiting to be docked to to extract resources?


There's a few problems with the premise you outline.

1) This imagines only that there is no reason to extract minerals that far into the solar system.

2) It ignores that some technologies are much improved by proximity to the Sun, e.g.: Solar Sails are roughly twice as effective, which could change the calculus.

3) Mineral deposits may or may not be uniformly distributed throughout the solar system.

4) Mineral deposits may be more readily accessible than in other places.

> Why do that if you have billions of flying bodies in much more convenient places flying around the Sun waiting to be docked to to extract resources?

A space mining operation would need to offset a variety of costs. If you can land on Mercury and scrape up platinum powder with a shovel versus needing to completely process a 1-km long asteroid to get the same amount of platinum, it's not exactly de facto in favor of the asteroid.

Mineral surveying of nearby asteroids is certainly in its infancy and is likely to be where we get the bulk of our resources but I don't think it's quite so simple a case as you're presenting that closer to the sun = waste of time/money.


> Why extract mineral resources from a planet that is so deep within Sun gravitational field that you have to expend more energy to get stuff from there than you would to get stuff from Earth surface?

Mercury itself is light enough to cancel that out.


> Mercury itself is light enough to cancel that out.

No, it does not cancel it out.

You need about 12km/s delta V to get to Mercury from Earth and then the same to get back. Remember, if you need to lift anything from Mercury, you need to actually transport fuel TO Mercury, before you can use it to lift anything out of Mercury.

And you don't just need twice more fuel for twice more delta-V. The fuel requirements grow exponentially.

Now imagine, how poor idea it is to transport mountains of fuel to Mercury just to get a tiny bit of what exactly? Raw materials? What kind of raw materials are present on Mercury that would warrant it?


It depends on your destination. It doesn't make sense to get things on Mercury and bring them to Earth, but if you need them in space, it may make sense. Don't forget that you pay about 12-13 km/s of delta V to get anything from Earth either.


You still don't seem to understand. You need 12-13km/s to get to anywhere useful from Mercury. Closer to Sun than Earth there is only Mercury and Venus and nothing else.

For example, if you wanted to build a base on Mars using resources that you obtained somewhere else, it would actually require many times more fuel to get anything from Mercury than it would be to get it from Earth surface.


It would have to be resources for something you either leave on Mercury, or leave in solar orbit near Mercury's.


It has, however, a tremendous value for building Dyson swarms and other megastructures.


I disagree.

Tell me, how putting actual human on Mercury helps building a megastructure? It is not like they will be able to do shit while on the surface of Mercury. They would be just sitting idle in a single polar crater that happens to be shaded from Sun and have access to water. Then if you want to send anything to an orbit where you would want to build Dyson sphere you would actually have to expend more energy than if you tried to send it from surface of Earth. That makes absolutely no sense.

I think these types of megastructures will be built by swarms of autonomous drone ships that can collectively gather, transform and deliver resources, use gathered resources to produce more drones and use the rest of resources to build whatever megastructure has been programmed in.


Mercury has a some great advantages for a Dyson swarm:

- It is extremely metals and mineral rich, perfect for building the billions of giant mirrors required for a Dyson swarm.

-It's already really close to the sun, so you don't need as much energy to get your mirrors in a lower solar orbit, compared to earth.

-Because it's close to the sun, it receives a lot more energy too, which can be used to power machine and...

-It has no atmosphere and little gravity, so the swarm can be launched with simple electromagnetic mass drivers.

-It has plenty of water, so the few human operators required to control the machines remotely in real-time can live very comfortably at the poles (or in deep trenches in lower latitudes).

I agree that human colonization of Mercury is going to remain very limited, only because of the trouble of landing there. But you won't find a better planet to mine and launch billions of mirrors.


Here's a great overview of BepiColombo's journey: https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/BepiCo...


> BepiColombo is named after Giuseppe "Bepi" Colombo (1920–1984), a scientist, mathematician and engineer at the University of Padua, Italy, who first proposed the interplanetary gravity assist manoeuvre used by the 1974 Mariner 10 mission, a technique now used frequently by planetary probes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BepiColombo


I saw that name and I thought "that's a name from the Veneto".

The history of that university is pretty amazing. I can't recommend the tour enough, if people go through Padova. It's a nice change from all the churches, castles and villas that you see elsewhere in Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Padua



To see how bare the planet is, with so many cosmic impacts… makes us wonder how fragile a planet with life is


I am no expert, but I think it is very likely most of these craters are from very early life of the planet, before there was life on Earth. Orbit of Mercury is very well cleaned of any other bodies and must have been like this for billions of years.

Because there is no erosion mechanism on Mercury (except for crumbling due to temperature changes) these craters were preserved perfectly.


> BepiColombo’s main science mission will begin in early 2026. It is making use of nine planetary flybys in total: one at Earth, two at Venus, and six at Mercury, together with the spacecraft’s solar electric propulsion system, to help steer into Mercury orbit. Its next Mercury flyby will take place 23 June 2022.

What a strange mission. Why can’t it stay in orbit around Mercury now?


We live in a village at the top of a very steep, mile deep, ice covered valley. Mercury is a village at the bottom of the valley.

Your house is high up the valley but you actually live thirty feet deep in a pit. To get to Mercury you have to build a car, lift it out the pit, then slide down the steep valley. The car has to be lightweight so that you can lift it out the pit: the engine and brakes are weak and do next to nothing.

So you build a feeble car — more of a four wheeled bicycle really, hoist it out the pit, and slide down the valley in it. By the time you whizz past Mercury you’re doing 100mph so you can’t stop. You go straight past and start sliding up the other side, but you do also put the brakes on for a bit. You’ll eventually slide back down to Mercury again at 90mph and put the brakes on again, and slow down a little more.

Do this ~10x and you’ll eventually stop.

Going in the other direction is easier. Earth is surrounded in a 100km soft squishy cushion of gas which means to all intents and purposes you can just fly straight at it.


The Wikipedia page has a nice description of the issues of entering Mercury's orbit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(planet)#Research_with...


It's going too fast and doesn't carry enough fuel to slow down directly into orbit.


By way of example, here is a video explaining what was needed to get the Messenger spacecraft into orbit around Mercury:

https://youtu.be/gBwspxfW10w


Here is an example of a rocket design/mission in Kerbal Space Program that can insert into orbit on the first pass:

https://youtu.be/lYwrbhzj694


Worth noting the Kerbol* solar system is significantly smaller and lighter than the real one, and has fewer eccentricities in orbit, axis of rotation for the various bodies, and so on. E.g. it takes about 3,300 m/s of 𝛥v to reach orbit around Kerbal, and LKO velocity is ~2200; for Earth, about 9,400, with LEO velocity of ~7300.

If you play KSP and would like a challenge much closer to real rocketry, check out the Realism Overhaul mod—and don't forget Principia. For an actual campaign based on the Apollo program, starting in 1951, check out RP-1 (Realistic Progression).

* Kerbol is the name of the star


I'm having enough difficulty reaching low Kerbin orbit. If anything, I'd like a mod that lets my son and I learn the basics of building and launching rockets with more of an auto-pilot flight mode. We are kern to explore more of the Kerbol system but are having great difficulty with basic missions.


The closest approach took place at 23:34 UTC on 1 October at an altitude of 199 km from the planet’s surface.


Albeit the pictures are from at least 1000 km away, since closest approach was from the dark side.


I’m always amazed at the precision of space probe operations.

It’s a bummer we don’t have better space propulsion systems, five years meandering about the inner solar system to get the right speed and angle to enter an orbit around mercury.


Scott Manley did a great video on the probe and its approach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Sj9cjwFhQY


It’s a bummer we don’t have better space propulsion systems

Hey! I used to work for the company that made BepiColombo's engines [0]

[0] https://www.qinetiq.com/en/news/pioneering-qinetiq-solar-ele...


Ah now i get the username! :D

Very cool!


Thank you. It actually started for photography reasons when I knew a (friendly) rival photographer who worked for one of our customer organizations.

[Edit] That and my liking for the Space Opera novels written by E.E. 'Doc' Smith.


Ah! Nice! Works for photography and for a person that builds ion drives. I'll leave you alone now haha.


This is an amazing achievement.

Also, there appears to be a typo in one of the images near the bottom. "Lemontov" instead of "Lermontov".


> comets crashing onto the surface at speeds of tens of kilometers per hour.

comets came crashing down slower than one goes in a school zone?


For anyone else reading, it's since been updated to "tens of kilometers per second."


This is cool and all, but why am I looking at black and white photos in 2021 sent from something launched in 2018?


The images were taken using the monitoring cameras:

https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Images/2018/10/BepiColomb...

Images using primary instruments will follow when it reaches orbit in 2025.


It's a navigation camera, not output from any main instrument so it doesn't come with a filter wheel. The importance factor is having very good linear response to incoming light, not making good phone backgrounds.


Because it's a scientific instrument and there's surprisingly little science value in capturing the other visible-light wavelengths.


Yet there's a fantastic PR and public value. The resolution is also only 1024x1024.


I'm more forgiving on the resolution front, my assumption is space isn't the greatest place for a very high density sensor. Historically it's been discouraged to bring digital cameras on planes without shielding since the sensors get damaged cells.

But why they're not just sticking an array of sensors everywhere they've got the b&w sensor, with fixed color filters in front of them, escapes me. Even smartphones are starting to look like insect eyes with the number of lenses in front of dedicated sensors. You'd also get the advantage of some redundancy.


How much money do you want them to spend to do it your way, instead of doing what's needed to maximize science?


You don't think this is worth the money, assuming no scientific value?

https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/system/resources/detail_files/9...

Source: NASA/Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory/Southwest Research Institute/Alex Parker Published: July 23, 2018

This is the most accurate natural color images of Pluto taken by NASA's New Horizons spacecraft in 2015.

These natural-color images result from refined calibration of data gathered by New Horizons' color Multispectral Visible Imaging Camera (MVIC). The processing creates images that would approximate the colors that the human eye would perceive, bringing them closer to “true color” than the images released near the encounter.

This image was taken as New Horizons zipped toward Pluto and its moons on July 14, 2015, from a range of 22,025 miles (35,445) kilometers. This single color MVIC scan includes no data from other New Horizons imagers or instruments added. The striking features on Pluto are clearly visible, including the bright expanse of Pluto's icy, nitrogen-and-methane rich "heart," Sputnik Planitia.

https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/resources/933/true-colors-of-pl...


I guess the problem would turn into one of getting a good WiFi signal 90 million miles from the nearest AP.


They just need to build a StarLink-esque mission that drops off repeaters every million miles or so. You'll need at least platinum status to get access to the wifi , otherwise it will be $30/hour. We know you have choices when you fly to Mercury, so we thank you for choosing BepiColombo Spacelines.


Starlink barely works over a few hundred kilometers. Thanks to the inverse square law doing it over a few million kilometers is about 100 million times harder.


Take things literal too much? Starlink-esque. Like Starlink, but different. Line of site with laser beams. Pew Pew!!!

Also, shocked context clues from the rest of the comment made you feel the whole thing was not tongue-in-cheek.


Indeed but there is a great marketing value though. And these missions rely on being marketed to the public for continued funding.


ESA funding isn't really politicised that way since it's a international organisation and no single politician can get their names on things.


All Member States contribute to these programmes on a scale based on their Gross National Product (GNP). The other programmes, known as ‘optional’, are only of interest to some Member States, who are free to decide on their level of involvement.

https://www.esa.int/About_Us/Corporate_news/Funding


Good thing that Giuseppe Colombo wasn't a politician!


They could probably get more funding if they reduced the amount of science the probes do so they could insert sell and insert advertizing into the data stream.


Does the surface of Mercury actually show any perceptible color or is it just basically grayscale like the Moon ?


The most abundant minerals in rocks in the solar system are white oxides, except for the iron(II) and manganese oxides, which are blackish.

So most rocks are gray, unless they have been exposed to oxygen, which converts the black iron oxide into red iron oxide, in which case the rocks turn from some gray shade to some brown shade.

Where there has been water, the water could have been dissociated by light, providing oxygen for the change of color. In the absence of water, there are few chances for anything else that could change the color of the rocks from gray.


BepiColombo has an X-ray telescope on board which will measure the X-ray colours of the planet from X-ray fluorescence. This will be interesting, as it will enable the composition of the surface to be measured down to 10 km scales [1].

[1] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11214-020-00750-2


It's even greyer than the Moon apparently. Unless this mission finds an active volcano, which I doubt it will, or some other colorful feature hidden from the previous missions, I think that's pretty much it, nothing but shades of grey.

https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/targetFamily/Mercury


It has some subdued colours such as brown and light blue. Here's a previous NASA image:

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110331.html

Here's an image with exaggerated colours:

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110616.html




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