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US really need to think hard on why Huawei gets ahead in 5G. And how can they make US telecoms more innovative. I think they should introduce more competitions.



From what I understand, Huawei got "ahead" in 5G by stealing Nortel's IP and running it into ground by the way of spycraft.


That they copied IP, no doubt, but "running it into ground by the way of spycraft" I would like some sources?



Nortel is a Canadian company.

Does this mean it belongs to America's 5G portfolio?


and csco too.


You can't get ahead by copying, you can only get to the same level. So how did they get ahead?


Leeching off other competitors.


Again, you cannot be the market leader by following others.


You can if you skip steps and/or invest more when starting from the same point, like say, if your corporations are backed by the state.


Not really. You still have to do that last step, the one that gets you ahead, yourself. Thats the step we're talking about.

There is a very real issue here imho, for the Anglo-sphere (the EU seems much better at this, full disclosure, im a brit but i think the us and uk are the ssme in this). We don't invest and increasingly we're not competitive. Cisco dropped the ball, Huawei picked it up. Maybe every previous step was stolen, but that's the step that have given Huawei their success. They have an advantage because no one else is making a comparable product.

As long as we just complain and blindly insist the chinese are cheating, we won't address the actual issues that are really holding us back.

The chinese are investing in education? Maybe we should. The chinese force their companies to take a view past the next quarter profit report? Maybe we should. If whatever their advantage is, its not stealing (not anymore at least) and until we address it, we will be whining and they will be winning.


> US really need to think hard on why Huawei gets ahead in 5G.

Good question, and a lot of of the answer is truly banal.

The GSM/UMTS/LTE/… telephone network was designed on the concept of standardised, layered message protocols. And itself built on the ISDN standards.

The idea was to foster competition by allowing a Siemens HLR to communicate with an Ericsonn MSC and support a Nokia radio network. This meant that you had to licence a particular protocol whenever you added a new piece of equipment - on both ends.

What Hauwei did is offer two licencing models: a pricey licence if you wanted to connect non-Hauwei kit (X) to an Hauwei network element, and a really, really, really cheap (often free) licence if you wanted to use the licence to connect said box to Hauwei's version of whatever X was (also cheap).

The numbers worked out to make adding new equipment vendors prohibitive.

So once you have enough Hauwei equipment, it spread quickly.

Then they offer to run it for you.




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