On: What will programming look like in 2020? (2012)

[throwaway383838]

> Does Google care? Ever had a look at their graveyard?

Please, Google graveyard meme here?

Name at least one DEVELOPMENT project that was killed by them. Even the infamous GWT is still alive on life support.

In case you're serious, it seems you don't understand or know the scale of Android project. Android is one of the most important projects of Google, it rivals Chrome and YouTube.

> The rest sound just like the usual marketing yada-yada and doesn't stand reality…

Please, launch your Java application on Node.js or in a browser, or on iOS, on Android for that matter. Or create modern client-side application that runs on all major platforms.

And no, Codename One/Gluon/JavaFX don't count. Even worst of the worst Ionic runs better than those.

[kevin_thibedeau → throwaway383838]

> Name at least one DEVELOPMENT project that was killed by them.

Google code. Google code search.

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That's why you're using a throwaway account?

Codename One works as well as Ionic when used by the right developer.

[throwaway383838 → invalidname]

> Codename One works as well as Ionic when used by the right developer.

Oh I'm sure it is. Both of them are awfully terrible compared to even React Native/Flutter, let alone native.

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It's also as good as Flutter. It's a matter of developer skill. Not the tool. Flutter has better default look and feel, that's about it. React native isn't a write once run anywhere tool. As a result it has a lot of different problems which imo make it way worse than all of the above.

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It's a wast of time to engage with a troll. It won't result in any curious discussion.

[throwaway383838 → invalidname]

> It's also as good as Flutter.

It's not. Last time I used it, everything was super janky, the look of app from 90s also didn't impress me.

The DX is awful, compared to neat single binary of Flutter.

> React native isn't a write once run anywhere tool. As a result it has a lot of different problems which imo make it way worse than all of the above.

I only care about result, not semantics.