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Officially the FDA and CDC say there have been 0 deaths from adverse events. I agree, that's way too neat of a number for the real world.



https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...

3 deaths from TTS following J&J as of May 7th where there were 8.73 million doses of J&J administered.


You're saying re: vaccines? There's been several deaths believed to be caused by the vaccines and attributed as such by the FDA/CDC.

And, you know, a few hundred thousand lives saved.


Not a troll: how do you know that number? Pfizer’s own RCT showed no difference in all cause mortality after six months


Which number? The few hundred thousand saved?

There's possible confounds, but none can explain vaccinated people being fewer than 6% of deaths (my MLE: about 2% of deaths) and more than 50% of the population. Especially since the vaccinated are, overall, a sicker and older population than the country at large.

The vaccine RCTs were not powered sufficiently to show a reduction in COVID death, given that they had no or basically no COVID death in either group. They did show a huge reduction in illness and severe illness, and now we're observing a commensurate reduction in death in the population.


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm?s_cid=mm...

population normalized death incidence is down by 10x in vaccinated over unvaccinated (which includes recovered individuals in with the unvaccinated, so the number compared to susceptible is probably 20x). with a bit over half the population vaccinated that suggests that at least the 100,000 deaths since june would have been twice as bad without vaccinations. not including any effects of vaccination on reducing infection/transmission (and for all the hype about "waning" the protection against infection is still substantial).


That was the trial that only had 40k participants. Adverse effects are so rare, it had to be administered to tens of millions of people to the public at large before just a few showed up.


Nitpick: there were plenty of deaths reported as adverse events. It was just found that they were mostly expected in a normal population.

I know in Germany we did have over 20 dead from AZ thrombosis.


Was that 20 more dead from thrombosis than would normally be seen in a similar population of that size? Or 20 total? Because my understanding is that it was only a few more than usual.


I can't seem to find the information and think I probably confused this with the UK reporting:

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazenecas-covid-19-vacc...




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