TO: @alasdair_ (can't reply directly; thread is too nested?)
> By this definition, a player playing at a craps table with other players all sharing the betting on the same outcome is in the process of creating a security each time they roll the dice.
Where is the "efforts of others" - i.e. non-players? So far it's just a Cooperative (aka DAO in millennial-speak).
> A husband who asks his wife to join him in paying the $25 to sign up for a joint bank account so that they get the free toaster is engaged in Security creation as well it seems
Family isn't considered common enterprise. Also, where is the "efforts of others"?
> A club that buys newspapers collectively to cut out the coupons each club member wants meets all four of the criteria as well.
This is a border case, there were case where golf club membership or timeshare units where found to be securities.
But there is also a consumptive utility, the question is do the club member actually read these newspapers, and does the value of coupons is sufficient "expectation of profit"? :)
The problem here is the US legal system is principle-based, not rule-based. So there is never a legal clarity. That's the disadvantage. But it also makes it anti-fragile and future-proof.
> By this definition, a player playing at a craps table with other players all sharing the betting on the same outcome is in the process of creating a security each time they roll the dice.
Where is the "efforts of others" - i.e. non-players? So far it's just a Cooperative (aka DAO in millennial-speak).
> A husband who asks his wife to join him in paying the $25 to sign up for a joint bank account so that they get the free toaster is engaged in Security creation as well it seems
Family isn't considered common enterprise. Also, where is the "efforts of others"?
> A club that buys newspapers collectively to cut out the coupons each club member wants meets all four of the criteria as well.
This is a border case, there were case where golf club membership or timeshare units where found to be securities. But there is also a consumptive utility, the question is do the club member actually read these newspapers, and does the value of coupons is sufficient "expectation of profit"? :)
The problem here is the US legal system is principle-based, not rule-based. So there is never a legal clarity. That's the disadvantage. But it also makes it anti-fragile and future-proof.