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Not sure what solutions that group is supposed to be espoucing but they're mostly just a political lobbying group.

Frankly until the shouting and arguing stops and someone who can make a difference comes to the table I'm out. There is was too much posturing which makes no difference and is bad on both sides from plastic signs complaining about pollution to politicians who travel from ecological disaster to ecological disaster via private jet, and that's even before you realise just how in the pocket mainstream politicians of both sides are to the current status quo.




What a disingenuous comment.

Of course they are a political lobbying group! No shame in that, if they weren't they would be stupid.

Shouting and arguing is how human beings deliberate since the beginning of our species - and it's how plenty of things have gotten done historically.

Waiting until your age of enlightened and reasoned debate around climate issues comes ensures that you never have to take action at all, which, I suspect, might be your point.


Action is worth a thousand words. Take it and sensible men will follow. Be the change you want to see in the world not the people arguing about it.

Take public transport. Repair rather than discard. Take up a new skill and improve a thing rather than buying a new one.

Reduce you own energy footprint (frankly given how at turns into more money in your pocket this should be common sense not a talking point among midwits).

I'm not talking about going off the grid and living off turnips. Make 90% changes and then share these with others to enable and empower them to do the same.


> Shouting and arguing is how human beings deliberate since the beginning of our species - and it's how plenty of things have gotten done historically.

What if humanity has run into a problem where that is not enough to solve the problem? What if the true (but unknowable) state of affairs is that our traditional ways of communicating, even at their best, are not enough?

What if it's even worse, what if our traditional ways of collective decision making are also not enough? Or even more worse, what if the very way we traditionally think must be improved adequately in order to adequately address this problem?

As a thought experiment, imagine that these premises are literally true...what shall we do? What are some plausibly adequate responses to this set of problems?


350.org have done a bunch of stuff — as for plastic signs complaining about pollution. Yes that's annoying, (it annoys me that 350.org's website is incredibly bad for environment https://www.websitecarbon.com/website/350-org/)

If you want to make a difference, do something local. That's where the biggest shifts are happening — and you're unlikely to encounter any real arguments. People tend to only have those arguments when they have an audience, e.g. Twitter, TV


The world collapsed but on the bright side user rob_c managed to uphold their principles


My principles on this are:

Recycle and reduce your energy use at home.

Reuse, repurpose and repair everything that just requires some effort or to learn a new skill.

Buy less plastics and vote with your wallet.

Use public transport (big one here which America seems reluctant to adopt)

Focus your effort on 90% changes that make the 90% impact for the 10% time, rather than wasting time searching for the 10% that costs the 90% of time and effort.

Be the change you want to see. Back groups who aren't being controversial and getting famous for shouting at idiots and back the companies developing new useful tech to turn a profit based on the above.

Nothing changes people's minds better than clear action and benefit. It's louder and better than hundreds of hours of arguing.

So. Yes. My principles are intact. My money and foot are behind them. And yes, with popularists in charge who will avoid talking about China except to cover their own failings yes, we're all doomed.

Just look for me, I'll be one of the last ones with the light still on making soup in the end.




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