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> Why can't this be expressed as an INNER JOIN?

`from foo, bar, quux` is an inner join, it's a shorthand syntax. He's lamenting that he has to keep specifying and matching ids, when the database can figure it out on its own from the foreign keys.




Depending on your database, it may be worse than just shorthand syntax. I encountered once a DB (that shall remain nameless) where replacing this syntax with the actual JOIN keyword resulted in dramatically better query plans everywhere it was used.


They should use NATURAL JOIN if auto-selection of the join keys is that important. I wouldn't recommend relying on that type of automagic behavior because it is very brittle; adding a column to a table might accidentally break existing queries.


Yes, but that's only automagic and brittle because it's not an actual join on the foreign key.

It's a join on whatever happens to have the same name! Which sometimes happens to be the foreign key.

The point here is that SQL doesn't have a way of specifying "join on whatever the foreign key is, and nothing else".


> adding a column to a table might accidentally break existing queries

Just a column, no. Adding a new foreign key might, but that's something that a type-checker/compiler can let you know about.

> They should Use NATURAL JOIN

NATURAL JOINs are better than nothing, but they're flawed too. Column names are supposed to convey meaning or intention, not just the type of data that they contain.


A natural join selects all matching names which is not the same as what the article is saying. The database already knows about foreign keys. Why do I have to say

  select * from A a join B b on b.Id = A.OtherId
SQL IDEs will auto-suggest that "on b.Id = A.OtherId" because it's the foreign key and could be inferred. That's what you need 99% of the time.


> A natural join selects all matching names

Yes, which is why I called it "brittle". It can easily break if you aren't careful with column names. However, if someone really wanted (unwisely, in my opinion) to have the DB automatically handle their inner joins, they could use NATURAL JOIN. This would require being very careful with you column names, which is why I (strongly) recommend doing it the usual way with INNER JOIN.

> the foreign key and could be inferred

Only in simple cases. If there are multiple foreign keys referencing the same table, automagically inferring joins will probably do the wrong thing, just like NATURAL JOIN.

> IDEs will auto-suggest

The editor/IDE is where this type of automagic inference should be done! You have the opportunity to inspect the suggestion and fix it if necessary, instead of hoping the DB does the right thing at runtime.


Partly for persistence, I would imagine. The query you write today should function the same tomorrow and a year from now. If you want this implicit behavior, you may use natural joins




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