There is an effort working to establish Phorge as a community-maintained fork but it is not yet in a state for announcement/release. There's still work being done to establish the organization, the fork itself, and the community. Please bear in mind that this is in it's infancy.
Please see my other comment. The community is still forming around this and working on setting up the proper fork. This project is not yet ready for announcement.
You are technically right, but I think it's a pretty broadly practiced convention.
It looks sloppy. Wanting the avoid the appearance of sloppiness should be sufficient motivation for the team to do the pretty minor amount of work to add a functioning redirect.
In this case it's relevant, because the Phorge page links to the parent domain for the "Phorge is developed and maintained by The Phorge Team" line. Makes it a bit harder to trust said maintenance.
Serious question: in the past 10 or so years, have their been any successful community-driven forks/projects?
Many (most?) of the successful ones are driven by muti-billion/multi-million dollar companies. Some of the "leftovers" from previous eras are more often than not also driven by these companies (just look at contributions to Linux for example).
Jenkins and Hudson split about 10 years ago and the community-driven Jenkins won out over the corporate Hudson.
I think it's fair to say that most large-scale community-managed projects are also going to have at least some kind of nonprofit attached, which will probably receive funding from companies which have an interest in keeping things going. For instance, Blender was a commercial and proprietary product that was made open source through a crowdfunded campaign run by a nonprofit created by Blender's original author. The Blender Foundation receives corporate funding and is a major contributor to development, but I think it's also fair to describe it as a successful community-driven project.
Honestly, if something is high-profile enough to be identified as "successful" that probably means that someone's getting paid to work on it, and that money is probably coming from a commercial donor on some level or another. The one exception might be in video games: open source releases of games (such as The Ur-Quan Masters) are usually 100% volunteer-driven and are unlikely to receive corporate funding. Some of those have been very successful!
> Jenkins and Hudson split about 10 years ago and the community-driven Jenkins won out over the corporate Hudson.
Five top contributors to Jenkins are from Cloudbees. $100 million annual recurring revenue [1]
Then there's one from Apache. One from RedHat. And even beyond top five contributions are meager to say the least.
While opensource, development is driven by the company that builds a product on top of it.
> Honestly, if something is high-profile enough to be identified as "successful" that probably means that someone's getting paid to work on it, and that money is probably coming from a commercial donor on some level or another.
That was more-or-less a subtext to my question: to work on something big, you probably need full-time engineers. And those engineers at the very least need to eat something :)
I think having commercial users of software fund ongoing development is a good thing and does not inherently mean that the project is no longer "community-driven". Commercial users are part of the community.
not sure if exactly 10 years, but all are still used:
* mambo & joomla (maybe that's more like 15)
* owncloud / nextcloud
* mariadb / mysql
and not all are necissarily 'community driven' in the sense of no $$ involved, but the community split/forked trying to maintain some level of increased openness, and the resulting fork is still viable
In this situation the original project is no longer receiving regular updates. The fork is intended to continue maintaining the project, like updating to newer versions of PHP as older ones EOL, in addition to some new feature development.
I am actually correctly looking for modifying Phabricator into some non-software project management platform. I guess I may upstream some bug fixes if it comes to my light.
