He literally psyched a crowd up into a fervor after months of lying and then they marched on the Capitol. His own people were sickened by his giddiness during the event. He was telling his VP to install him as POTUS and tweeted as much. The same guy has been telling folks he plans to be reinstated in August.
You can lie to yourself about it but you're not going to get far lying to others.
Once you only care about silencing those who would point out fascism, it becomes easy enough. Watchful moderation willing to act is necessary.
I'm unsurprised that HN is being exploited this way, but I am pleasantly surprised that there are people seeing them in operation like yourself and the others speaking up.
The truth gets buried, ultimately, not by these bad-faith arguments, but by the giant thread above consisting of those who prefer to live in the world of the 90s where Republicans and Democrats worked to further their specific interests collectively in an organized fashion, and listening to both sides made sense.
I don't know if the memo is going to get out: those Republicans are gone. Those days are gone. Once the party has turned fascist I don't think there's going back, it's not like they can turn away from their deceived or delusional voters.
HN isn't a politics forum, its only function is to provide value for YCombinator. It can't address these foundational failures in human thinking.
Please keep political flamewars off HN. This whole subthread is wretched and the sort of thing we're trying to avoid here. You guys have the rest of the internet if that's what you want.
Edit: it turns out that your account has been using HN primarily for political battle. That's not allowed, and I've banned the account. We do that regardless of what politics you're battling for, because it destroys this place for its intended purpose. Please don't create accounts to do that with.
If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll use HN as intended in the future.
Please keep political flamewars off HN. This whole subthread is wretched and the sort of thing we're trying to avoid here. You guys have the rest of the internet if that's what you want.
Edit: your account has already built up a pattern of using HN primarily for political and ideological battle. That is not what HN is for and it is also not at all a nice way to take advantage of the fact that we allow people to be anonymous here.
I've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll use HN as intended. But please don't create any more accounts to break the rules with.
> Says the supporter of the party that literally used impeachment twice to try to get rid of a President they didn't like.
He deserved to be impeached, claiming otherwise shows your lack of judgement.
> If there is a political party in the USA flirting with fascism, it's the Democratic party.
Says the person defending the guy who tried a coup against the USA
The previous POTUS deserves to be in jail, like his lawyer who went to jail for crimes ordered by him, and multiple members of his team who committed crimes on his behalf (only to be pardoned by him).
Please keep political flamewars off HN. This whole subthread is wretched and the sort of thing we're trying to avoid here. You guys have the rest of the internet if that's what you want.
Also, personal attacks are not ok and will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. You did that in multiple places in this thread. Please don't.
Edit: actually you've been posting so many personal attacks that I've almost banned your account. I decided not to, because you've been here for 10 years, but if you want to continue to comment here we need you to stop doing this, and stop adding to political flamewars generally.
You may not owe (or feel you owe) your political enemies better, but you owe this community much better if you're participating in it. No more of this please.
I can understand why you think the way you do and the way you construct your arguments, unlike some others in this thread, makes me believe you're genuine.
But I hope you can see that there are a large number of people who see a physical assault on the peaceful transition of power as a threat to the continuance of our government. An existential threat.
We are never going to change our minds on this and you have no right to ask us to overlook it because that's sort of like asking us to ignore an arsonist who we know set a fire, who has proclaimed the desire to set fires.
Violence was used to disrupt the peaceful transition of power. Violence was used to disrupt the peaceful transition of power. Violence was used to disrupt the peaceful transition of power.
How can you possibly ask people to look past this? With a straight face?
You're one of those people, I suspect, who gets tripped up on literal definitions of things. It doesn't matter what, specifically, is an attempted coup and what isn't. People will use imprecise terminology and if you want to talk politics you may just have to grow up about that fact.
Violence was used to disrupt the peaceful transition of power.
The man told the VP to make him POTUS and is now claiming that he will be reinstated in August. I can't imagine what information bubble you live in where this escapes you.
