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> there was this enormous revolutionary fervor around free software

I miss those times, and places like HN are far from it. Join mastodon if you want to breathe a similar atmosphere again.

> Were we hopelessly naive?

No, Linux won hands down. Also, a lot of people warned about the coopting of FOSS from software freedom into unpaid labor. We saw it coming and couldn't stop it.




As always, I wish there was a way to DM on HN. :)


Marxists would argue that naive is exactly what you were, and Marxists would reference history both to show you why and what you could have done about it. Liberalism and capitalism have always been loving bedfellows.


No argument from me at all. Just a bit of sadness.


If you help granny cross the road, are you better off getting paid?


Spare a dime for poor Larry and Sergey?


Care to explain what should have been done?

Also, what were people naive about?


Not GP, but if I extend the “marxists warned” logic, what could have been done would be to own the means of production. In this case, as with a lot of other Marxist analysis, that means taking a different view of what freedom entails, tying permission to exploit labor to a commitment to serving that labor and sharing its spoils. To some extent later GNU licensing reflects similar thinking.

I think what was naive was building OSS around service, support and consulting. Instead it could have been built around mutual benefit as a governing principle.


>I think what was naive was building OSS around service, support and consulting. Instead it could have been built around mutual benefit as a governing principle.

Free software was built around the principles of mutual benefit. OSS was coined as a "corporate friendly" label, and it is from that culture that the whole service and consulting thing comes. Service, support and consulting is how you make money from it. It wasn't naive at all - it was a cynical co-opting.

(And if you don't see the problem with the maintainers of a piece of software to also charge for support, may I direct your attention to The Shirky Principle [0] - "Institutions will try to preserve the problem to which they are the solution". Software developed under this model will, over time, become byzantine, baroque, and frustrating - because that brings in the consulting cash.)

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Shirky#Shirky_principle


Your characterization of OSS is correct, but free software was built around individual empowerment and equity of access, which are liberal principles, not mutual benefit which is a leftist principle. Stallman is a civil libertarian and perhaps a democratic socialist, but as far as I know has never identified himself as a Marxist nor does his work lean on class analysis.


See also https://www.boundary2.org/2018/07/mueller/

Stallman (and others e.g. Lessig) had clear visions of where they wanted to be but were thoroughly stuck in an end-of-history mindset - "we'll do the work to get this small part of society from A to B, and then we'll be at B." Well, no, then someone is going to drag parts back to A, and another is going to drag a few over to C, and after a few steps of this your rhetoric around digital freedom is going to be half fueling the propaganda of the largest, most powerful corporations in American history, and half the weak intellectual justification for a right-wing populist riot.


Awesome article!!! So glad I posted this comment and you replied. This article seriously rules!


Then you might also appreciate the other two entries in the trifecta of leftist writing about SV that usually get me greyed out:

https://thebaffler.com/latest/capitalisms-new-clothes-morozo...

https://www.e-flux.com/journal/70/60567/the-vectoralist-clas...




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